Transcript of George Floyd's murder prove that he was cooperating

Cardiac is what you get from excited delirium which all 4 cops were trained on, 1 cop mentioned twice, and all 4 cops thought he was on something from the moment they met him plus they found a meth pipe on him. By every procedure they have they knew he was on dope and not to do what they did, not to mention that pulling him back out of the car was by itself completely unnecessary and excessive. When you know someone is stressed out because of drugs, you don't add to the stress on their heart by using that position if you can avoid it. They could avoid it and in fact didn't even need to pull him back out of the car. Hence excessive force.
I'd like to point something out to you: Both autopsies agree it was cardiac on some level, and both are paid for. The one paid for by the victim's family says cardiac because of mechanical asphyxiation and provides evidence which one can view with the naked eye, the one paid for by the same entity which employs Chauvin and his co defendants stops at cardiac.

Sitting on someone's carotid and fishing around for it with your shin bone as you can watch Chauvin do will indeed cause shortness of breath and the feeling of suffocation. Its called mechanical asphyxiation for a reason. You don't have to be ultimately successful to cause that complained of feeling. If you don't believe me, have 3 guys hold your ass down while restrained exactly like that for 10 minutes, with one pushing your vertebrae closed on your internal carotid, after you have a nice jog to put you in a stress state. Report to the class whether you feel out of breath or anxious about continuing to draw breath. Have someone videotape it

You do not have to cut off both ffs. The effect you see occurs because he is over stressed. He is over stressed because of the hold. The hold does not have to kill him by itself, it just has to contribute to his death and be excessive force. Its felony murder, not intentional murder. https://www.webmd.com/heart/picture-of-the-carotid-artery#1 The hold you see employed by Chauvin uses the shin bone to press against the vertebrae at a particular angle and pressure, using them to pinch mostly closed the internal carotid artery.
Both autopsies mention heavy bruising and contusions on Floyd's neck. Here, they are caused by "fishing around" with the shinbone which you can watch Chauvin do.
That's not a hold you should employ on a perfectly healthy subject in that circumstance, certainly not for 10 minutes, much less one you have evidence is high as a kite, is complaining of various issues, you've got an ambulance on the way for, and is already restrained in the vehicle no threat to anyone.

 

You'd be surprised. Bluesguy for instance thinks they were perfect little angels who saved us all

 

Unsupported conjecture on your part, they had no way of knowing he had meth and fentyal in his system or heart disease. They treated him properly he resisted and caused the physical struggle which led to a cardiac event and shortness of breath BEFORE he collapsed on his own to the ground. You keep ignoring that fact. It is highly likely he was going to die anyway and the official autopsy says no strangulation and no asphyxiation. There are TWO carotids and BOTH have to be cut off, there is no evidence this occurred. They might get Chauvin on an assault but murder is stretch and a good defense lawyer is going to present reasonable doubt due to the EVIDENCE

 

Why do you keep repeating that? How cares what I know? It's hard to buy that a cop doesn't know about the equipment he carries. But that would make it worse that of all the equipment at his disposal, the only one he was interested to learn something about was the one that kills. And not the one that doesn't kill.

I expect a cop to have enough feeling for human life to not kill the suspect who is in panic but is no threat to them. I also expect the cop to be trained in dealing with suspects who are in panic without themselves going into panic.

 

You keep assuming something you do not know. I would have thought that with all your comments about your very logical thinking, that you would be beyond that.

We do not know whether that taser was a one shot taser because we do not know the model number. If it is one of the multi shot models, the cop was in danger because whether the taser kills him or not it could disable him which would make him vulnerable to be shot with his own weapon.

Then, in addition, the cop said he did not know whether he fired the taser or not. Therefore, in the cop's mind, he was in danger from a man who was not opposed to using violence.

It is an unusual combination who has no fear for his own life but is overly concerned about other lives. It is not merely about going into panic, it requires him to be willing to die to avoid killing someone else. Not many of those around. And you would like to hire this unusual combination on the cheap.

You keep ignoring the fact that this cop most likely did believe Brooks was a threat to him.

For all your logical thinking, you are not very logical.

 

Projection is strong in this one.

You're the one assuming that the cop didn't know what kind of taser he was carrying. Which is pretty much irrelevant (given that a taser is not a lethal weapon), but it's a demonstrable fact that you're the only one making assumptions.

One last time: who the f...k cares what we know. And if that were a relevant piece of information, why don't we know?

Fact is that, as I said above, it's irrelevant. But you keep changing your story about what the cop knew or believed. Will the next one be that he didn't know that a taser doesn't shoot bullets?

And you're ignoring the fact that both Brooks and Floyd definitely believed that the cops were a threat to them. The difference is that Brooks an Floyd were RIGHT!

 

In addition to the possibility that a taser can be lethal if used on some people, a taser can be a lethal weapon because it can disable the cop.

You keep assuming it was a one shot taser. You do not know that. In addition, the cop said he was not sure the taser was fired. You are assuming the cop is lying.

The cops were not a threat until they started resisting. At that point Floyd and Brooks became a threat to the cops.

 

At this point nothing you're saying makes any sense. When somebody starts with one narrative to defend an action, and then shifts the narrative again and again, it becomes obvious that facts don't matter. All you are looking for is some way... any way... to excuse the actions of cops who committed murder.

 

How does "In addition to the possibility that a taser can be lethal if used on some people, a taser can be a lethal weapon because it can disable the cop." not make any sense.

Where have I shifted the narrative? There is more than one aspect to the cases and I talked about different aspects of the cases.

You say the cops committed murder. That is your opinion. They have not been convicted of anything. They are considerably more complicated than just shooting him or kneeling on his neck. There were events leading up to those events and you don't want to talk about them.

You have failed to counter a single part of my argument. Only saying something different.

 

You're all over the place. First it was that I didn't know what type of taser the cop had, then it was that the cop didn't know what type of taser he had, or that he didn't know how many times it could fire, then he didn't know how many times it was fired, then you say that it's lethal BECAUSE it can disable the cop (not sure you know what the word "lethal" means.. hint: it has to do with "kill"... not with "disable") and finally this nonsense about "some people" when we're not talking about "some people"... we're talking about a cop. About a cop who just killed somebody in cold blood, but I'm supposed to be concerned about his feelings... because you think he had a right to react in a panic, but you don't believe the guys who ended up being killed should have this same right to be in a panic that you decided to give to the trained and supposedly professional cops....

Anyway... it's easy to make up a series of nonsensical strawman. But it's obvious how you make them up as you go along by the way you keep contradicting yourself.

Which proves that you just want to desperately find at some "excuse"... rather than looking at the facts. So I don't see any purpose in trying to show you facts about something you have already made up your mind that you will defend no matter what....

 

But all of that is true.

You do not know what kind of taser was used. Some are single shot and some can fire more than one shot.

I never said the cop didn't know what kind of taser was used or how many shots it could fire. You made that comment.

The taser is potentially lethal. In addition, if the cop is disabled, Brooks could have taken his gun, which could be fatal for the cop.

You claim the cop killed him in cold blood. You do not know his state of mind.

I never claimed the cop acted in a panic. That was you. I said he feared for his life.

 

Not conjecture, see the transcripts from the body cams. They asked him if he was on something first thing, he's foaming at the mouth and they note it, they find a METH PIPE and ask him about it, one of the cops says twice that they shouldn't be doing what they're doing exactly because of excited delirium. TWICE. All matters of undisputed fact.

He was handcuffed and in the car. They then drag him back out and onto the ground into that hold where he dies.
Which cop was he a danger to while cuffed and locked in a vehicle there smart guy?

I'm not ignoring anything. You seem to ignore that he was restrained and not presenting any threat when they pulled him back out of the car and put him in a position that they had been trained not to put him in for exactly what you see occurring as the reason.
You don't have to cut off both to stress the heart out fella, which was my point. Even the official autopsy acknowledges the stress position as contributory. Come off it.

Your lack of understanding of the law is grossly apparent here: If they get him for the assault, they get him for murder since even the official autopsy agrees the stress position contributed to his issues: Its FELONY MURDER not intentional murder. That means they only need to prove the felony IE assault. If they get him for assault, they get all 4 of them since they were acting as a group. All they have to prove for assault is excessive force, which is pretty clear. You're his strongest supporter and even you'll cop to assault ffs.

 

I have posted the transcripts, long before he collapsed to the ground he was having a cardiac event that was NOT the responsibility of the arresting officers. He resisted arrest and turned it into a physical struggle. He was moving air in and out his lungs even while on the ground. He was even kicking while on the ground. You have shown NO lack of understanding of the law while you ignore a basic tenant call beyond a reasonable doubt. The prosecution will have to prove it was their actions alone that killed him and reasonable doubt that he was already in cardiac arrest from which he died before he was on the ground will vacate a murder charge. Was the actions of the one officer abusive, yes. Did that beyond a reasonable doubt kill him, no.

And no one has claimed he was a danger once cuffed so stop with that strawman smart guy. He was a danger until he showed his hands which he at first refused to do so, he was a danger while he fought against them and resisted.

And fella to make someone pass out and die via the carotid requires you choke off both as I already cited, scroll back. No asphyxiation, no strangulation. Cardiac due to his own health problems, drug use and resisting arrest.

 

He didn't "collapse" to the ground, they pulled him out the car and dumped him on his chest with his hands and legs restrained and a cop sitting on his carotid artey putting stress on his heart. According to the official autopsy you're so in love with.
Putting him in a stress position they're trained not to put people presenting exactly how Floyd presented is definitely contributory according to the official autopsy and the unofficial autopsy.
Saying "I can't breathe" doesn't mean you aren't getting any air in or out at all. You can be feeling like you're dying and still slightly respirating. You can be slowly mechanically asphyxiating and still make noise. He was not kicking, they had his ****ing legs restrained. He's squirming which is an involuntary reaction to the stress he's under. And again: Pulling him back out the car was entirely unnecessary in the first place. He was restrained and no threat to ANYONE and they had a bus on the way. All they had to do was ****ing wait. But they couldn't do that because he didn't sufficiently respect their authority. You can see it on Chauvin's face, its a pride thing, a ****ing dick measuring contest. That's not within course and scope of duty.

They do not in fact have to prove it was the cops alone that killed him. All they have to prove is the underlying assault which contributed to the death, and you've got felony murder. That's how felony murder WORKS dude. You can catch felony murder when a person shoots your co-conspirator or when you crash your car driving away from the scene and one of them dies ffs.
You crack open a can of excessive force whoopass on someone and they die guess what? Same deal.
The autopsy states the stress position contributed: Deal with it.
It doesn't have to BARD kill him genius, its felony murder not intentional murder. Prove the underlying felony, prove the murder.

So you're saying that when he was cuffed, at that time he was no threat? He was cuffed when they jerked him out of the car and put him in the stress position that killed him. That means you agree with me, the force was excessive constituting assault.
The autopsy says that assault contributed to the death, making it felony murder.
Thanks for playing.
As I've stated: he doesn't have to pass out, just cutting off the one puts enough stress on the heart to kill someone with underlying conditions. You don't get excused by the person having such a condition when your force is illegal (as with excessive force) as you have agreed their force was illegal. They've been trained not to do what they did in fear of the exact result you see. One of them brings that up twice. No excuses.

 

He collapsed to the ground on his own, YOU need to go read the transcripts and watch the videos.
He was complaining of shortness of breath WHILE breathing, that's a cardiac event in progress.
No asphyxiation. No strangulation.
He was kicking while on the ground and the officers note when he stops go read the transcripts.
His passenger urged him to stop resisting.
They have to prove the officers caused his death to which there is a HUGE reasonable doubt at this point.
Cutting off blood flow to the brain does not cause cardiac arrest. No where in the autopsy does it say he suffered brain damage because oxygen was cut off.

The defense will have a field day with this over charging.

 

They literally pulled him out of the car and put him on the ground after he was restrained in the car and no threat to anyone. This is a matter of undisputed fact.
Or the symptoms of a panic attack, not unusual when going to jail for a second or third time. They put him in a stress position they were trained not to put persons just like him in. They were trained not to do so because of exactly what you see occurring.
The autopsy, both of them actually, agree this was contributory to COD.
You can watch the video tape as well and see that the "kicking" is squirming. Not to mention: He wasn't kicking anyone or able to when in the car that he was already restrained in before Chauvin decides to yank him back out and put him in the stress position he's trained not to put people in.
Hooray, guess since the passenger yells at him at the beginning he was just fair game to slowly murder in public then. Glad you could clear that up. He doesn't present a threat amenable to deadly force at any time during the encounter, certainly not deadly force applied slowly over the course of 10 or so minutes while he is restrained and presenting no actual threat particularly when just prior to THAT he was previously restrained and presenting no threat only to be stuck in this position the cops are trained not to put someone like him in.
No they do not. Both autopsies take this as a matter of objective, verifiable, scientific fact and juries tend to follow when more than one expert agrees it was contributory. Which they do in this case. You yourself agree to the assault, the experts and public opinion agree the assault contributed to the death so its likely the jury will as well, that's felony murder.
Cutting off blood flow to the brain causes STRESS ON THE HEART (which is what I actually said. No one said he had brain damage) which to an eggshell plaintiff like Floyd can work to contribute to the cardiac arrest you notice. Eggshell plaintiff doesn't excuse you, either in civil or criminal law.
You've really got to try reading what I write instead of making your own **** up that I didn't say. Its rather off putting when you do otherwise. Almost as if you're not actually trying to discuss the facts and law and are instead simply arguing from emotion and not in good faith. Its like talking to ronstar.

 

He collapsed to the ground before then. They got him out of the car and walked him over to the wall, he was complaining of shortness of breath then. They sat him down for a few minutes the got him up to walk to the police SUV. As they got to the SUV he collapsed to the ground. He resisting the arrest contributed to his heart condition as did the meth and fentynal he had in his system and led to his death. It was not strangulation or asphyxiation and the officer was not able to cut blood flow to the brain while Floyd was on the ground.

 

He refused to get in the car and did the dead weight, yes.
They then got him cuffed and in the car. Where he was no threat to anyone. They then pulled him out of the car and used force on him..... why? Force is only applicable to stop a threat, he was no threat restrained and locked in a cage. Not to mention: The force applied was deadly force, that's what the training on excited delirium is about that that stress position will kill someone.
Again: The officer is cutting off both his internal and external carotid on that side with his shin bone. You can watch him do it and see the resulting contusions in the autopsy. That stresses the heart and contributed to the death. He doesn't have to cut off both internal carotids to cause this issue. I don't know why you keep arguing, that's in the official autopsy you keep touting.

They used excessive force constituting felonious assault. This felonious assault, according to 2 autopsies, contributed to the death in a significant fashion. Under the laws of the state of Minnesota (and if fact all 50 states but I digress) a felonious assault which contributes significantly to a homicide constitutes the crime of felony murder.

 

That was just a collapse and not unexpected for someone going into cardiac arrest which he was. Breathing the entire time and yet shortness of breath, classic cardiac as will be shown at trial. The stress was SOLELY due to his own resisting and preexisting health conditions and drug use.

 

Except even the official autopsy, which you yourself have touted as the god's honest truth, points out the verboten stress position contributed to that arrest and his death. Since you've also agreed that they had no cause to put him in the position in the first place, it constitutes felonious assault. Because a felonious assault contributed to a homicide it rises to the level of felony murder.
Thanks for playing.

 

Floyd contributed to his health conditions and "contributed" is not necessarily a crime. If the police try to arrest someone and that person runs off and then drops from a heart attack yes the attempted arrest and officers actions "contributed". Was the person murdered? I have not said they had no cause to put him in that position. He was still resisting arrest while on the ground. He was also breathing, moving air in and out of his lungs. He wasn't being denied oxygen his heart was not pumping his blood properly. Did Chauvin try to inflect some pain and suffering, yes I think that case can be made in court. Murder.....................that remains to be seen.

 

Contributing significantly to a homicide is indeed a crime when your contribution is made by felonious assault as here.
His contribution to his condition would not override the fact that they contributed significantly to his condition by way of felonious assault which qualifies them for felony murder just like any other puke who helps to kill someone during a felonious assault. If you rob a store and the clerk has an infarction from being scared, guess what? Your fault.

You've admitted to a felonious assault by excessive use of force. A man died. He died during a felonious assault on his person which felonious assault contributed to his death significantly: That's felony murder, which is what they're charged with. Keep up.

He wasn't resisting in the car, restrained, no threat to anyone. Which means pulling him back out of the car and using one iota of force on him was verboten. Using a particular stress position you've been trained will kill someone like your suspect is using deadly force. He certainly wasn't amenable to deadly force. Making the use of force excessive. Making it felonious assault, which the official autopsy you keep touting says contributed to his death significantly. Making it felony murder. Which is what they're charged with.
According to the autopsy the stress of the position, which does indeed restrict your ability to receive the proper flow of oxygenated blood to the brain, caused stress on the heart. This was a significant contributing factor to the death. The hold you see used is mechanical, if applied as you see it applied it works to restrict the blood flow from the internal carotid artery on at least one side which would indeed restrict oxygen to the brain. You don't have to restrict it enough to make them pass out to stress the heart. As stated numerous times. Stop making **** up. Ok?

Did Chauvin intentionally inflict pain and suffering? You mean did Chauvin commit felonious assault by using clearly excessive force, which led to a man's death because he wanted to show how big his authority peen was? Yes, he did, and the 3 cops with him abetted that. Which is why they're all charged with felony murder.
Its felony murder: You only have to prove the underlying felony. That's how it works. You've admitted to the underlying felony hence, you've admitted to felony murder.
Thanks for playing.

 

He resisted and fought against the police setting off a cardiac event, they did not use deadly force on him, cutting off oxygen to the brain kills the brain not the heart, he was breathing, as I already posted cutting off just one of the carotids will not kill you. His underlying health conditions, which would be obliviously to the officers, is what killed him and that will be shown in court.

Here again

Your [Golem] Washington post leaves out key details and then totally contradicts itself as it to confirms the passenger in the car urged Floyd to stop resisting. He was NOT cooperative as they try to report. And yes he complained he could not breath long before he was on the ground and while he was yelling a screaming proving he could move air in and out of his lungs. The NPR article leaves out entirely that he was complaining about shortness of breath long before he was on the ground. Both are either shoddy journalism or purposeful lies of omission.

"When officers first approached Mr. Floyd—who was sitting in his car—on suspicion of using a counterfeit $20 bill, he wouldn’t immediately show his hands, so Mr. Lane drew his weapon, but put it away after Mr. Floyd complied, according to the filings. Still, Mr. Floyd wouldn’t get out of the car.

“Please don’t shoot me, Mr. Officer. Please, don’t shoot me man,” Mr. Floyd said, according to a transcript of body camera footage.

“Step out and face away. I’m not shooting. Step out and face away,” Mr. Lane said.

“OK, OK, OK. Please. Please, man. Please. Please,” Mr. Floyd said.

“Get out of the car,” Mr. Lane said.

“Stop resisting Floyd!” said one of the other passengers in the car."

And then once again proving he was having a cardiac event

"As officers tried to get Mr. Floyd to walk to a squad car, he repeatedly said he couldn’t breathe and was claustrophobic...... """

BEFORE he was even on the ground. He WAS breathing but he was not pumping blood through his lungs to oxygenate it and remove the CO2 so he felt like he could not breath. CLASSIC cardiac event.

"When officers finally got him inside the car, Mr. Floyd began to thrash and hit his head against the glass inside the squad car, causing his mouth to bleed, the new filing says.""


He began resisting again and getting violent this after he was already complaining about not being able to breath he even injured himself and that is the blood that was report, he caused it himself.

"Officers called an ambulance because of the bleeding and then held Mr. Floyd down on the ground because they believed he would injure himself further if he wasn’t restrained, according to the filing."

Yep, they had to restrain him because he was INJURING HIMSELF.

"“I can’t breathe,” Mr. Floyd said at one point while he was on the ground.

“You’re fine, you’re talking fine,” said officer J. Alexander Kueng, according to a transcription of body camera footage.

“I’m through, I’m through. I’m claustrophobic. My stomach hurts. My neck hurts. Everything hurts. Need some water or something, please. Please? Can’t breathe officer,” Mr. Floyd said, adding later: “You’re going to kill me, man.”

“Then stop talking, stop yelling, it takes a heck of a lot of oxygen to talk,” Mr. Chauvin replied."

The cardiac event continues while he still struggles

"When Mr. Floyd stopped kicking, Mr. Lane, a rookie, asked if they should move him on his side, speculating that he was in a state of “excited delirium,” according to the documents."

He was a dead man before he hit the ground it was just a matter of minutes as his heart was unable to properly pump the blood. As the autopsy said it was a cardiac event not murder.

Any attorney worth his salt is going to raise reasonable doubt based on the evidence. They will put cardiac specialist on the stand who will testify his death started before he was restrained on the ground. The jury will have to deliberate based on those facts, there is HIGH reasonable doubt Floyd was going to die standing up or on the ground it was his heart that had given out not anything the officers did. A charge of abuse, yes but then they had to restrain hims. Murder, this is a gross overcharge and the officers deserve justice.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/attorn...abetting-charges-in-floyd-killing-11594227638

We'll see at trial.

 

See the autopsy you keep touting. They do not agree with you and instead state the stress position had a significant contributory effect to the COD. Sorry you have a problem with that.
Putting someone on dope, which they knew and suspected Floyd to be, in that position causes excited delirium leading to death. They're trained on that, you can hear Lane mention it twice. That makes it deadly force chief.

"MY"? [Golem]? What does that mean? Are you implying I somehow run the washington post? What does [Golem] mean here?

The bolded: Again, also symptoms of a panic attack which is not uncommon for a guy on his 3rd strike. Woman yelling: Happens before he gets in the car and wouldn't make him amenable to slow murder in the first place.

He restrained in the car presenting no threat to them. No need to pull him out, simply restrain his head. The ambulance was on the way, he was no threat to the cops, there was no need to put him out on the ground in a stress position they had been trained not to use. Nor was he such a threat to himself that he needed to be laid out in such a stress position that would kill him when they could simply restrain him from banging his head. This makes their use of force excessive, excessive force is a felony, according to the autopsies (plural) that force contributed to the death and that means the charge is felony murder. I'm sorry that bothers you.

Again: You can asphyxiate mechanically by carotid pressure while still expelling and inhaling air. You can be cut off and still make noise too. Here, we don't have to completely asphyxiate him, we only need to stress his heart out which occurs during the lock on his internal carotid on one side which is not only visibly seen in the tape for over 8 minutes but also reported in both autopsies.

Kicking: You can watch the "kicking" on the tape. Its the normal squirming that occurs when you're slowly dying because someone is sitting on your neck and its causing your system problems. Still not amenable to deadly force also: Citing the whole "we've been trained not to do this because it kills people" bit isn't helping your boys skate the murder rap here.

See the autopsy? See how it says the stress position contributed significantly? See how even you admit there was an assault on his person by a cop? Do you realize that is a felony? Do you realize that is a felony that contributed to a man's death? Do you realize that means you've agreed its felony murder?
Thanks for playing.

 

Get your facts straight

"When officers finally got him inside the car, Mr. Floyd began to thrash and hit his head against the glass inside the squad car, causing his mouth to bleed, the new filing says.""


He began resisting again and getting violent this after he was already complaining about not being able to breath he even injured himself and that is the blood that was report, he caused it himself.

"Officers called an ambulance because of the bleeding and then held Mr. Floyd down on the ground because they believed he would injure himself further if he wasn’t restrained, according to the filing."