Putin critic, Russian activist Alexei Navalny on a ventilator; poison in tea suspected

Sure, no proof. But tons of evidence that Russia's poison of choice has been
used to murder or injure opponents of Putin.
One dissident was poisoned with radioactive polonium - something only Russia
had.
None of the people accused of involvement in killing dissidents have been
allowed to attend Western trials and demonstrate their innocence. And that goes
too for those involved in the downing of the airliner over Ukraine.

 

re "miraculous survival"
the guy is in a coma.
Many others did not "miraculously" survive.
Don't become a "useful idiot" to Russian imperialism, Communism and Fascism

 

And who's on a foreign payroll?
Same people who beamed messages into the head of Mohammed Fayed to tell
his son to take Lady Diana and drive down that Parisian tunnel?
Do you think this Navainy, in an induced coma, will pull through?
Do you think other opposition leaders jailed for "corruption" are imprisoned
because of "foreign agents"?
Why do "foreign agents" want Putin to be stronger?
Do you think maybe the Queen or Prince Charles are "foreign agents"?
Do you think Elon Musk or Donald Trump are "foreign agents"?

You don't make sense. You have heard that saying, "follow the money" then in
this case follow the incentives: no-one benefits more from the disappearance,
jailing or assassination of business people, journalists and opposition figures like
Putin does. End of story.

 

Here's what else I think, (I understand it's most unwelcome to some but really don't care )

there are several reasons why this would come from outside, mainly to implement more sanctions and isolating Russia

the main ones of course are:

• the strength of the Russian economy (if everyone is getting weaker, Russia is getting stronger by staying the same)
• Russia is being very effective against Turkey which is another Globalist pawn,
• If Russia united with the conservative cause in the west the Globalists are basically toast (I could put that differently but didn't want to )

 

I am expressing my own opinion, I 100% accept the Kremlin is 100% capable of doing their own poisonings and don't need my "useful idiot" assistance. However as I pointed out in post #279 I believe there are sufficient motivation from outside to poison Navalny.

Besides what does it matter what I think this is merely my opinion.

 

Uhhh! What has Russia done that was not a response to what we did? I would really like to know?

 

Not saying America Is innocent as we have interfered in plenty of countries but at least for the most part we are free of tyranny that is unless trump gets another 4 years
Had to throw that last part in

 

So you're saying that Khodorovsky wanting to sell Yukos, which owned the largest oil fields in Siberia to Exxon Mobil would be the same thing as Exxon Mobil working together with Rosneft in Russia?

What Khodorovsky did, is the equivalent of the owner of Exxon Mobil selling all its oil wells to Russia. I'm sure our government wouldn't be happy with that.

As for the agreement between them, it probably had to do with Exxon helping to develop Russia's oil wells in the Arctic. At the time Russia didn't have the know how and equipment and foreign oil firms were vying for the opportunity. When the president of the French company Total made a deal with Putin and tried to bypass the sanctions and also go off the petro dollar, his plane had a freak accident leaving the Moscow airport. Suspicious? I think so, and I'm sure the Kremlin does too.

CIA​

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We're here, we're there
we're everywhere,
no matter what the area.

And never shirk to do our work,
to further our criteria.
Of lying killing if we must,
regardless if it's fair and just.

That way they'll know
that we don't care
and if they're smart,
then they'll beware. - Jeannette​

 

there's no single evidence of that, let alone 'tons'.

 

so what point in being no tyrants whilst behaving like ones?

 

Yes, evidence. Sarin, polonium, novichok, even a Buk missile or two.
All of which are tightly controlled by the Russian military and must have
high level approval for their use.
Of course, the list of dead, injured and jailed are all Putin's opponents.
The only exception was the downed airliner - that was more an act of
incompetence during the Russian covert invasion of Ukraine.

Undermining countries, cheating on Olympics, killing journalists, whole
sale espionage, crushing democracy and the like. Six months before using
novichok the Russians celebrated, at the Hague, the elimination of its
chemical weapons.

 

"outside" forces to kill a thorn in Putin's side?
How many other "outside" forces are operating in other countries?
What about Venezuela, North Korea and China? Are we working
FOR these states, or AGAINST them?

 

I'll agree with the incompetence and ignorance of the Ukrainians that shot down the airliner using the BUK missile system.

You do realize the Ukies own a lot of Buks don't you?

 

.....vis is a sovok apologist, and a "patriotic" vatniks.....even though he/she lives in Germany living off those generous social programs it has to offer.

 

just calling it the way I see it pooh.... the outside force is not as far "outside" as you are suggesting (clearly wandering around the wilderness)... these Sorces (not a typo) are and have been funding dissent in Russia for a long time.

Besides have you considered that you, while accusing me of being a "useful idiot", are a useful idiot for the globalists in swallowing their propaganda and not considering all the angles

 

none of that is proven,

and the olympics mentioned only exposes the hypocrisy...

so let us learn what really it was all about -

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...after-us-threat-to-pull-funding-idUSKBN25V2PL

 

I should have checked Wiki earlier. So Khodorkovsky stole Yukos when he paid 300 million for it. But Putin's crony didn't when he bought it for $17...

Yukos was a wreck, and needed massive investment. The way you do that is cut a deal. Which is what Putin later did.

"Late yesterday, the US state department spokesman, Richard Boucher, said Washington had repeatedly expressed its anxiety about the situation to Russian government.

"The appearance of lack of due process and possible threat to private property rights [over the Yukos case] have put domestic and international business communities somewhat on their guard," he said.
Late yesterday, the US state department spokesman, Richard Boucher, said Washington had repeatedly expressed its anxiety about the situation to Russian government."

Yukos says it cannot pay the tax claim because the courts have frozen its bank accounts and assets.

The company has come under intense pressure from the Kremlin since the arrest and jailing - pending his trial - of its main owner, Mikhail Khodorkovsky."

Mr Khodorkovsky, Russia's richest man, had ruffled Kremlin feathers through his growing political involvement, financing opposition parties. He faces a potential 10-year jail sentence for fraud, tax evasion and embezzlement..."
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2004/jul/07/oilandpetrol.russia

Western investors left after that. This was not a new problem. There was an ongoing problem doing business there because russians broke their word because they didn't understand how business works, or how Rule of Law makes it possible.​

 

Sure, I wouldn't be surprised if Ukraine own Buks. They probably have a few
tons of AF47's too. Doesn't change the fact that Russia saw the need to neutralize
Ukraine's airforce which was attacking their "volunteers" on the ground.
All Putin has to do is allow those sought in the investigation to testify - and it will all
be cleared up.

Don't eve know what WADA is. As for the accusations I made - there is a fair amount of confidence
in these. For some there is proof, ie drug cheating and Russian Polonium; for others there are court
cases pending such as the Ukrainian airliner case and the rest rely upon probability and incentives.

 

The term "useful idiot" I believe was coined by Lenin. He referred to Westerners who swallowed
the Communist paradise hook, like and sinker. Whole generations of idiots believed in Stalin too.
He was called "Uncle Joe" - like he was a beloved family member. Talk of him killing millions was
just Capitalist propaganda. And you remember the Soviet lies of the Cold War? Now we have the
mafia running Russia - and the same people who believed in Uncle Joe and the great Communist
enterprise now support the Russian fascists. The pattern isn't so much Russia, but anti-Western.

 

Pooh... I don't need a lesson in useful idiots I'm well aware of it's origins. And it's very much applicable to those swallowing leftist globalist communist propaganda.... therefore have own opinions.

 

Please address: Michael Hastings
Or alternatively: Clinton body-count

Remove the plank in your own eye before addressing the speck in someone else's.

I am sure the above examples are easily discounted for having the wrong villain, but what makes one account more reliable than another?

 

Now, if dozens of critics of Donald Trump end up dead then you can logically suspect the murderer is:
1 - Trump's supporters
2 - Trump.

Same with Putin. Only here there is no investigation of such murders, and if there is then absurd conclusions
are reached. In the case of the journalist Anna Politkovskaya it was Chechens who were rounded up and given
stiff prison sentences - the very people Politovskaya was supporting.
21 journalists, critical of Putin, have been murdered. This was not done by Britain or America.

 

20 people that were scheduled to testify against Hilary Clinton committed suspicious suicides. Michael Hastings car randomly exploded after he announced that he was releasing a big story against the CIA and he told family he was being followed. Any curiosity there?

 

Really, is that true? Never heard this story in Australia.

 

In 2005, the Russian state, represented by Gazprom, bought the oil company Sibneft from Abramovich for $ 13 billion. Although its market price did not exceed 10, it cost Abramovich himself nothing at all (he received it in the 90s, when he was the treasurer of the Yeltsin family). One can only guess how they sawed $ 13 billion.

Surgutneftegaz is the third oil company in Russia, 1 million barrels per day. At the same time, the Surgutneftegaz company, which produces oil as half of Nigeria, has no owners. Their names are a secret with seven seals. The shares of Surgut are distributed among its subsidiaries according to a "loopback scheme". "Surgut" owns daughters, daughters - "Surgut" and each other. This is done when they want to hide the real owners of the company. They are known only to top management, who receive informal instructions.

An ownerless oil company producing 1 million barrels per day is not all the wonders of Putin's RF. For 17 years, since 2003, Surgutneftegaz has been saving money. He does not spend oil profits, but simply keeps them in banks in hard currency. As of Q1 2020, Surgutneftegaz has accumulated 52 (Fifty two) billion dollars for its unknown shareholders.

An ownerless oil company with orphaned $ 52 billion. In fact, Surgutneftegaz has been owned by Putin and Timchenko since 2003. And $ 52 billion is Putin's savings, an old-age pension. You can read more about this in this investigation published on the website "Putinism As It Is" in 2016.

The secret involvement of top officials in the oil business, sawing schemes like the purchase of Sibneft in Russia or Malaba Oil in Nigeria are not just corruption. This is a system called crony capitalism . Top officials and a handful of “insiders” are sawing the budget, mineral resources and create monopolies for themselves in all profitable sectors of the economy.

The system itself is flawed. There is no competition in the economy, everywhere there are thieves in monopoly places specially created for them. The state is anti-social - it does not work for society, but robs it. Moreover, Putin was building this system, capitalism for his own people, purposefully and persistently from the first days of his rule. He dragged his own people: from the "Lake", from the judo section, from the KGB and the Tambov organized criminal group, he brought everyone.