Putin critic, Russian activist Alexei Navalny on a ventilator; poison in tea suspected

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  1. Mandelus

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    Wait ... I have to ask if all these web cams and recording devices hidden in the Kremlin have recorded everything!

    Damn it ... are you only playing the propganada clown or are you really a propganada clown man?

    Did I ... I, not the German government! ... claims that it is the Russian government's responsibility? No, but I said that a suspicion is justified!

    But since you seem to love pro-Russian conspiracy theories to beat the evil West with, how about this one?
    Putin really has nothing to say and it is a Russian deep state made up of all the oligarchs who actually rules Russia! How do you like that, eh?
    For me personally this is just bullshit, as it is probably also for you ... but for me these are idiotic conspiracy theories it was the German government, also just bullshit!
     
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    the batka speaks on the case -
    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020...any-falsified-navalny-poisoning-claims-a71335

     
  3. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Sharik ... who the hack believers Lukashenko please? This jerk and bastard of dictator lies directly when his mouth opens!
    And since his power is currently very much at risk after his election fraud, he is of course looking for other things to distract from it and to make himself even more popular with his protector Putin.

    It's so obvious ... people have to be really blind or totally blinded by propaganda in order not to recognize it!
     
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    And when team trump said the same thing you said what???

    I was talking about the Flynn call but that's ok right???

    As far as Obama it really would depend overall at that time (if now after all the stuff Russia has done since I would be pissed if it happened)
    We dont know the full context. Certainly concerning that is a certain. Should maybe of been investigated to get to the bottom of it. But who knows maybe it was and the reason why we didnt hear about any investigation because it was nothing. I dunno however I do know when it cones to Putin trump is a softy and intimidated or maybe in awe of him.
     
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    You posting from a basement in Moscow?
     
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    I might watch the video later, but your description makes it sound goofy.

    Russia has a long history of killing dissidents, and it's not the first time that type of poison has been used to try and kill someone Putin didn't like.

    Russia is staggeringly corrupt. Putin once arranged the sale of an oil company worth billions for $17 US... He gets a nice cut, same as any crime boss.

    Speaking of oil, they depend heavily on the income from their energy sector, and energy prices are very low, and won't recovering for a long time, if ever.

    Russia is hurting.
     
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  7. Mandelus

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    Ehm ... what??? Look on my post again and I think you can read English ... so why shall I sit in a basement in Russia please???!!!
     
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    You do know this isnt the first Russian critic tobe poisoned with the same agent right?

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    Putin critic
     
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    So anyone in Russia who crosses Putin is a "foreign agent" ????
     
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    No kidding lol. He seems to be very supportive of Putin that is why I asked if he was in a basement in Moscow if not he should probably move there since he paints such a rosy picture
     
  11. Mandelus

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    I know of course and did I say that the suspicion is well reasoned that Russian government is behind?
    However, the objections that came here are partly not unfounded! Novichok is a Soviet development, but decades old and its composition is well known to experts worldwide ... and not only Russia has this warfare agent!
    The world of intelligence is generally very foggy, dirty and nasty! If you look at what everyone in the world did on their own during the Cold War, you will be amazed. So-called false flag actions often happened on all sides, both large and small, in order to harm the other - opponent - and to drag them to a dock and to destroy reputation!

    These are facts that are true and proven!

    Just because I don't blow the horn "Killed and punished Putin" for it and am more skeptical ... very well founded skeptical ... I am someone who completely denies that it was or possibly was Russia etc.! So please don't confuse me with others here!
     
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    In a sense he is taking away the talk of his real corruption Joe he rigged the election.

    Now trump doesnt go to the extremes that Putin does but the concept is the same create something else to talk about. Putin is doing just that and if he did have him killed that's one enemy off his list.
     
  13. Jeannette

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    Yeah, but the Russians only poison Russians in London not in Russia. They like to give the Guardian something to write.

    Oh so then it wasn't Khodorovsky that went to sell Russia's largest oil company to Exxon Mobil, it was Vladimir Putin. Then Khodorovsky was jailed for nothing? Oh that's right, it was for tax evasion. Isn't he wanted now for murdering the mayor who tried to collect taxes?
     
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    No, he was jailed for pissing off Putin.

    I have to give Putin credit. I would never have thought to come up with a murder the mayor story like that.
     
  15. Jeannette

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    What enemy? Navalny had no following, if he did, he would probably still be alive. Funny how Putin's opposition's die whenever they lose their political clout and become a liability rather than an asset to their handlers - whether it's the CIA, Soros or Khodorovsky.



    Moral: Never work for sociopaths.:oldman:
     
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    Of course Putin was pissed off. You don't try to sell your nations largest oil company to a foreign country. As I mentioned, when Vladimir Putin became president, he said he will let the oligarchs maintain their ill gotten goods, as long as they pay their taxes and do not run for political office. Khodorovsky did neither.

    He didn't pay his taxes, and he became involved in politics. He still wants to be president of Russia, he hasn't given it up. That way all of Russia's wealth can end up in foreign banks.
     
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    The mayors wife wrote a book titled: "Khodorovsky, why did you kill my husband." According to her, he was killed trying to collect taxes from his oil company.

    So tell me, why wasn't Khodorovsky and the other oligarchs, (who ran off to foreign countries), paying their taxes?
     
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    Anyone who is on a foreign payroll is a foreign agent.
     
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    Putin entered into an almost identical deal a few years later.
     
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    Maybe it is so, however so far no proof for that. Without the solid proof all the talks about that Putin or whoever related to him poissoned Navalny is nothing more than a speculation and does not cost a penny.
     
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    Yeah right!
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    Tell us another one?


     
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    According to our oh so 'credible' State Department and our oh so 'credible' MSM.

    Well if you're saying it, then it has to be true.:roflol:

    Not as much as we are.





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    Unlike some others in our sphere,
    to me Russia is: 'Mother Dear'.

    So if you try to break her heart
    and vilely try to grab a part,

    through devious means with lies and guile
    which as we know is your style,


    then also know you'll suffer ill
    and find it a very bitter pill.

    As others have who came before
    and didn't know what was in store


    for them - Jeannette
     
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    "Since 2009, Russia’s economy has stagnated with an average annual growth of 1 percent. The coronavirus and the oil price war have brought Russia into a new economic crisis. How deep will it become and how will the Russian economy recover?

    Although COVID-19 hit Russia late, the country has seen a late exponential rise in infections and its still low death rate is set to rise sharply. While its quarantine policies have been late and incoherent, p olitical scientist Lilia Shevtsova commented that the "federal and regional authorities have been issuing contradictory orders. The state machine appears totally disoriented.”

    Thanks to its strong finances, Russia is not likely to suffer significantly from the global financial crisis. Adding up these factors, Russia’s GDP would be expected to decline by 9 percent, approximately as much as is anticipated in the European Union.

    As a consequence of the declining GDP and a lower exchange rate, Russia’s GDP in current dollars, which peaked at $2.3 trillion in 2013, is now set to decline from $1.64 trillion in 2019 to approximately $1.3 trillion in 2020, assuming a GDP decline of 9 percent and an average exchange rate of 75 rubles per US dollar. This will reduce Russia’s might on the international stage."


    https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/com...an-economy-in-health-oil-and-economic-crisis/
     
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    "Exxon Mobil Corp sued the U.S. government on Thursday, blasting as “unlawful” and “capricious” a $2 million fine levied against it for a three-year-old oil joint venture with Russia’s Rosneft.

    The fine came after a U.S. review of deals Exxon signed with Rosneft, Russia’s largest oil producer, weeks after Washington imposed sanctions on Moscow for annexing Ukraine’s Crimea region.

    Between May 14 and May 23, 2014, top U.S.-based Exxon executives signed eight documents with Igor Sechin, the head of state-run Rosneft, the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) said in the statement on its website."

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...for-russia-deal-under-tillerson-idUSKBN1A51UH

     
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    No you're wrong not
    advantage to the funders of said dissident, (being curled up in fetal is not an advantage) you realise these people are funded from outside right? And they are every bit as ruthless as the Kremlin. This is why I allow for either in my analysis, and award the Navalny benefactors as getting the most out of his poisoning & miraculous survival.
     

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