Israel Strikes Iranian Oil Tankers Bound For Syria

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Israel needs to be reigned in

  1. Yes - these continuous wars in the ME need to stop - Israel is a problem

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  2. NO NO NO - nothing to see here - Iran is the bad guy .. Israel the good guy

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  1. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think, your last sentence makes a lot of sense, I hadn't considered. Thanks for pointing that out to me. Truth is, the world doesn't need more nuclear weapons or "the Bomb"!!!
    And so far, Israel has behaved itself and not used the bomb on any neighbor, ditto the USA since Hiroshima.
     
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    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, no... not bogus! We are not talking about civilian bombing dead, we are talking about German “disarmed enemy forces” (DEF) rather than “prisoners of war” in order to skirt provisions of the Hague Land Warfare Convention which mandated humane treatment.
    "It is estimated that 700,000 to a million men may have died within the period they spent incarcerated in American and French camps alone from 1945 to 1948. There are much higher estimates, however, and attempts to uncover the truth regarding these camps in modern times, as well as excavation of reported mass grave sites, have been vigilantly thwarted by, among others, the German government. It is unknown how many perished under British captors but recently declassified documents indicate widespread torture and abuse. Under all of them, many of the prisoners were used to do dangerous work such as working with hazardous materials and mine sweeping in complete disregard of the law."

    http://www.revisionist.net/german-pows.html
     
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    Your link says it all - 'revisionist.'

    German prisoners of war in the United States - Wikipedia

    Although they expected to go home immediately after the end of the war in 1945, the majority of German prisoners
    continued working in the United States until 1946—arguably violating the Geneva Convention's requirement of rapid
    repatriation—then spent up to three more years as laborers in France and the United Kingdom.[15]:ix,xxii,26–27 (see
    also German prisoners of war in the United Kingdom). As the Geneva Convention no longer applied, and because of
    the atrocities discovered at concentration camps, prisoners' rations were cut and work loads were increased. Before
    being sent home they were required to watch documentaries of the camps. (Scholar Arnold Krammer noted that in his
    years of interviewing prisoners he never met one who admitted to being a Nazi, and most Germans had some knowledge
    of the camps; however, how much those captured in North Africa knew of the Eastern Front—where most atrocities
    occurred—is unclear.)[17]

    Despite the delay in repatriation, Krammer reported that "I've yet to meet a German prisoner who doesn't tell me that it
    was the time of their lives."[17] Most Germans left the United States with positive feelings about the country where they
    were held,[18][17] familiarity with the English language, and often with several hundred dollars in earnings. The funds
    benefited the postwar German economy on their return.[16] They had benefited from being held by a nation that largely
    did not hate German soldiers; a November 1943 poll found that 74% of Americans solely blamed the German government,
    not Germans, for the war.[13]:8 After repatriation about 5,000 Germans emigrated to the United States, and thousands of
    others returned later to visit[22][15]:248 such as Rüdiger von Wechmar, who lived in New York City for 14 years as the
    German Permanent Representative to the United Nations.[17] Funke reported that the visitors did so "as convinced
    democrats" due to their treatment.[28]
     
  4. Reasonablerob

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    None of which backs up your initial assertion, it's just conspiracy theory. Washington does not wish to Balkanize Syria, it wants Assad toppled and a free and democratic society.
     
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    BRITAIN is a nuclear power dear boy, Britain.
     
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    Terrorism is the use of violence for political ends in a free and democratic society. Iran has been attacking tankers and the Saudis, now they've got their payback.
     
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    I already said that.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Iran is in a war with the El Saud. You are confusing acts of war with terrorism.
     
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    You missed the attack on Beirut harbor last year. It was a nuclear device.
     
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    WHO and CDC and MSM have been terrorizing the people of the world, including gullible US citizens, for a year now by way of Operation Covid.

    Terror is a natural reaction to a perceived threat. Terrorism is the deliberate manipulation of that natural reaction. A terrorist is one who does the deliberate manipulation. It does not require high explosives or firearms.
     
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    I do not think one single tanker is US-flagged, unless it only goes between US ports.
     
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    Your source is an Iranian propaganda rag.
     
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    And in opposition is a US/Israeli propaganda rag. Who to believe?
     
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    When in doubt always believe U.S. and or Israeli sources.
     
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    Prove it by citing an unbiased source (like The Economist magazine).
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is US/Israel saying about it? Nothing, because there is nothing going on in that regard.
     
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    I guess we should just believe you right? ... I mean, this is some real investigative reporting you have done below ... same guys that nuked the towers on 9/11? ...

     
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    You post is only about Germans in American POW camps in America.
    It's not about Germans in American POW camps, outside America.

    The Germans POWs in American camps outside America were treated abysmally. It was Eisenhower who came up with not regarding them as POW's since there was no army of Nazi Germany, since there was no Nazi Germany after 1945, and so The Geneva Conventions did not apply to those people. People did starve to death there, or thirst or just because they were made to live in the open / there were no tents / barracks or whatever to shelter in.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinwiesenlager


    And that was before they made those people clear minefields where they died by the 1,000's a week.
    Loads of them just teenagers.
     
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    Yeah right! That's why Kerry said he knew the Syrians would vote for Assad, and that's why he won't accept the election if he runs. So much for democracy. When Assad did win, Kerry said he wouldn't accept it since there was a war going on.

    Then with an in your face so typical of Washington, Kerry accepted the Ukrainian election even though Donetsk and Lugansk had seceded and they were at war. Also in Ukraine, any politician representing the South and East of Ukraine were thrown in trash bins and threatened not to run.


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    As for the election in Syria, the one Kerry wouldn't accept, well here are the American observers. They went there on their own to find out the truth. Well they did, and it wasn't exactly what our government was saying.



    And below are the people cheering in Syria when Assad won the election. They wanted to show the world that they wanted Assad, and not to believe Washington's and the medias lies. In their naivete, they thought it would somehow influence the Washington cabal and their cohorts: Britain, France, Israel, Jordon, KSA, and Qatar. But it didn't! All that mattered was their own agenda and self serving interests.

    Those nations could care less about the pain and destruction they were causing the Syrian people, and since we're the ones who will be paying for our government's crimes in the end, the way Germany and Japan did, don't you think the American people should at least have an idea of what their country is doing?

     
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    I know, whatever doesn't suit you comes either from a German or Iranian propaganda rag!
    You think the US and consorts tell you the truth? They are the biggest liars ever!
     
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    I haven't said anything about German papers, but Tasnim News is an Iranian propaganda paper which was founded by Islamic Ideology Dissemination Organization and they have strong links to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. They run headlines such as "COVID-19 is a biological attack by the U.S. and the Zionist regime".
     
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    American and most other media sources are mainly interested in making money and not slanting the news.
     
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    If that's the case, then why do they slant it?



    Let's Be Straight!
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    No Slanting!
     
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    Probably because it isn't Israel that is behaving like a conquering or invading force. ALL of these attacks against positions or convoys in Lebanon and Syria, and rarely even Iraq, aren't designed to surround Iran and conquer it. They're designed to stop Iran from doing in Syria what they've already done in southern Lebanon - build an army with thousands of missiles right on Israel's border.

    As for Iraq, they've been controlled by Iran for several years now. Iraqis know that they cannot displace them without war. Additionally, between 45-50% of Iraqis are Shia and would be more open to cooperation with Iran, which is nearly 90%, Shia. Israel is no saint in the region but these actions are NOT aggressions against their neighbors. They are designed to keep Iran away from their borders. If Biden drops sanctions and begins cozying up to the mullahs in Tehran again, I think it's possible that Israel and her Sunni "allies" may decide to strike while there's still time to stop the assembly of a nuke. If Iran becomes a nuclear weapons state, Israel would live under a constant threat of annihilation, and from the time a launch was observed until impact would be just a few minutes. Even a mistake could lead to horrific consequences in the region.
    Support whoever you choose but be careful what you wish for. One nuke ANYWHERE could lead to many nukes, EVERYWHERE. With these things, there is no place to hide.
     
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    Let's look at this statement and see if there could be some unintended(?) consequences. Assume for a moment - if you can - that Israel launches a pre-emptive attack on Iran's nuke sites because their intel says Iran is about to complete and assemble a weapon. The U.S. clearly states in advance that the IDF are on their own. Israel destroys most of Iran's nuke sites and then has to absorb missile attacks from southern Lebanon and Syria. DAYS of missile attacks.

    While this is happening, the IAF isn't sitting idle. Southern Lebanon has already been warned, publicly, that if the Hizballah attacks Israel from Lebanon, the IDF will not even attempt to discriminate who is living alongside these launch sites and caches of missiles. They already know where most of these storage and launch sites are and they know that thousands of Lebanese civilians are allowing these items to be stored IN THEIR HOMES.
    Netanyahu's defense minister and some other Israeli officials have publicly announced that IF a war begins, these civilians should run IMMEDIATELY because no restraint will be shown this time.

    So, the entire region will go up in flames, tens of thousands of casualties will result in an ever-widening conflict. At some point, it's likely that world opinion would-as usual - blame DA JOOS - and other countries might decide to enter the fray. I just hope that if that day comes, these leaders remember who they are bombing and gassing. The bottom line with Israel is that they have faced annihilation on many occasions and have survived. After the horrific evil of the 30s and 40s in Europe, they decided that IF anyone comes to burn them again, then EVERYONE will burn. Fair is fair, eh?
     
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