The Vaccine Refusers Are Causing Lasting Material Damage To America!

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  1. Joe knows

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    same goes for any other vaccine. Covid is around to stay, I don’t think masks will stop that. Masking forever isn’t appealing to anyone.
     
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    So, is polio a risk today?

    Do you know the history of civil action on polio?

    And, even if a disease DOES exist, being monumentally irresponsible about containing it doesn't earn some sort of brilliancy award.
     
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    Enlisting our military in spreading COVID seems a little weird to me.

    Maybe our federal government could have allowed hospital orders for needed supplies to be delivered - instead of having FEMA interdict shipments of those supplies, leaving hospitals in the lurch.

    Maybe there could have been some enforcement of masking and other known methods of slowing viral spread.

    Maybe Mardi Gras and spring break on the FL beaches wasn't such a great idea, given the known superspreader characteristics.

    Maybe allowing international travel to NYC and other key locations wasn't such a great idea, given the total impossibility of doing health checking. After all, just about every case of COVID in the USA involves virus strains that came from Europe.

    Maybe those military hospital ships could have been allowed to accept COVID patients.

    Maybe the defense emergency production act could have been used, or the companies who wanted help in building mask machines that produce a million masks a day could have been funded.


    Or, you could just spew hate at Cuomo.
     
  4. Joe knows

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    Did they force vaccines and mask for years on end?
     
  5. Hoosier8

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    No, but corona viruses are. Four of our pantheon of flu viruses are corona viruses. This will be number five.
     
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    They didn't have to.

    People were smart enough to decide not to surrender.

    And, I don't know what caused you to say "years on end".

    The first emergency use authorization was just about exactly 7 months ago.

    Exaggeration is a poor argument technique when it's obvious nonsense.
     
  7. Joe knows

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    Because so long as covid exists people that are scared of it want to force masks and so long as I can see there is no end to COVID. Fauci has even said that covid is here to stay (refer to link) so the idea of masks forever or “years on end” is ridiculous.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/wgme.c...prepare-for-possibility-covid-is-here-to-stay
     
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    For your edification. From the CDC.

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/hcproviders/reportingadverseevents.html

     
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    The least likely demographic to be vaccinated are blacks they are only at 9% compared to whites at 59%
    so unless you want to claim the majority of blacks are Trump supporters
    you once again been propagandized to believe a lie

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    Posters who say the vaccine is neither FDA approved nor guaranteed to prevent Covid are correct. Pfizer's own attending documents/disclaimers say exactly that. There is no vaccine available which is guaranteed to prevent Covid. This non FDA approved vaccine is granted under emergency orders due to the pandemic. But my Wife and I weighed the pluses and minuses, took the shots, and are fine. IMO, nothing is guaranteed, FDA or otherwise, not the flu vaccine, not anything. All that anyone can do is place the odds in their favor. I trust the medical consensus and the manufacturers. But government needs to be careful about overstepping its boundaries with mask mandates and the vaccine. Like another poster said (Pants I think) our lives and economy must go on.
     
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    True, because Medicine is an Art and not a Science. The fact that Medicine employs scientific methodology and principles does not make it Science.

    Science is so because it is universal, verifiable, repeatable and, most importantly, predictable. You always know the outcome and if you don't, then it's the variables are unknown or not exact, but even then the end results will be the same.

    Only low-information voters believe Medicine is Science and that vaccines ought to be 100% effective with ZERO side effects.
     
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    medical science
    - the science of dealing with the maintenance of health and the prevention and treatment of disease​
    https://www.thefreedictionary.com/medical+science#:~:text=medical science - the science of dealing with,with the structure and behavior of living organisms.

    and you were saying again?
     
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    You got beat down and came up with some weirdness like that?

    The Army trains for NBC Warfare. That's Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical Warfare.

    Where do you think STUPID-19 falls on that spectrum?

    Think it might be "biological?"

    So, pilots and crews can't mask up? Why not? Is that one of your fantasy rules for you fantasy game?

    Pilots and crews can fly wearing an NBC mask but can't fly wearing an N95? What kind of inane nonsense is that?

    You failed or refused to answer the question: Why didn't Cuomo activate the 42nd Combat Aviation Brigade of the New York National Guard to airlift COVID patients from over-crowded hospitals to lesser crowded hospitals?

    The short answer is Cuomo didn't give a rat's ass about those people -- thus Murder 2, Depraved Indifference. The Media attention with tents in Central Park was worth more politically than trying to save people's lives.
     
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    Are there any of you aware of the COVID-19 Delta? Anyone that isn't going to take the show could get sick from it and die.
     
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    I meant to say shot instead of show I Meant to say that Anyone that isn't going to take the shot could get sick from it and die. That's what I meant to say. Thank you.
     
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    That won’t happen forever either. Mask mandates will outlast free money. Free money will also cause price increases. Not a good game plan for the future of our country
     
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    If you consider that 99% of the people will not die from Covid, even if infected, maybe we should concentrate on those most at risk, and we should stop targeting children. They die of childhood bad luck diseases, not covid.

    In California, the politically incorrect truth is that the high risk unvaccinated are mostly the underclass that “just can’t seem to get around to it.” And they are mostly likely to be exposed to immigrants coming across the border into their impoverished communities, but the media is afraid to say that being “woke” and all.

    The next biggest problem is the media companies creating a “covid controversy” by substituting covid porn for Trump bashing porn. The media is screwing everyone simply for “views” upon which ad rates are set.

    As consumers of information, we are being cheated by our corporate overlords.
     
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    Quote: Posters who say the vaccine is neither FDA approved nor guaranteed to prevent Covid are correct. Pfizer's own attending documents/disclaimers say exactly that. There is no vaccine available which is guaranteed to prevent Covid.

    That's exactly what the NURSES told me when they gave me my 2 Moderna shots; ''You could still get infected'', and according to the stats, the vaccines have kept near 100% of the vaccinated out of hospitals.

    Thus, who the phoook is spreading confusion?
     
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    Gotcha. Taking the vaccine seems like a no brainer to me for the reason you stated. But I can't fault those who don't. I've never taken the flu vaccine in spite of the fact that the flu kills tens of thousands of Americans per year. Does that make me reckless towards myself and others? Personally I think not. My Wife and I took the Pfizer vaccine strictly for selfish reasons, to protect ourselves because we are in the high risk category and six hundred thousand deaths is beyond the pale of a "should I or shouldn't I" choice. If that happens to aid in herd immunity, then so be it. Altruism in hindsight is false valor.
     
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    Sort of indifferent to the economy except for exports
     
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    I get the flu vaccine every year and I got this one too at first opportunity. I don't think anyone has any right to force someone to get it when they feel so strongly and there is no long term knowledge of how it will do to/for us. How many Dems flew the coop, 15? And they were all vaccinated and five contracted Covid. I believe in my heart it has just become another political excuse to support whatever cause needs the support. I think we're fine.
     
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    That doesn't mean that today is the day to start ignoring all protections against COVID.
     
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    So, you just ignore the data? Or what?

    What sources do you use for assessing where we are?
     

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