Racism towards whites has hit my home state.

Steve N · Jan 9, 2022

How many years in prison did Chauvin get sentenced to? Below is yet another example of certain people being privileged.

Portland men who shot and killed pregnant woman during burglary sentenced to only 7.5 and 10 years in prison, respectively

https://thepostmillennial.com/portl...-burglary-sentenced-prison?utm_campaign=64494

Zorro · Jan 9, 2022

FatBack said: ↑

And the ironic part is those who defend it are likely white themselves.

I suppose they are naive enough to think that their social justice warrior stance will convince the others that they're one of the "good guys" when the time comes.

I believe there is a phrase for that sort of "helper".... A "useful".... Something or other...
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Like many of these phrases, the labels are lies:

What ‘Social Justice’ Really Means:

It's not just life saving treatments being rationed by race.

We do not need any research to know that Bragg’s policy will produce disastrous results — common sense tells us so and, given what we’ve seen in other cities where funding from George Soros has elected “progressive” district attorneys like Bragg, we know that life in New York City will become nightmarish. Drug dealers will ply their trades without fear of prosecution, carjackings and burglaries will skyrocket, and the daily death toll from drive-by shootings will shock the nation.

“Social justice” requires this. It is unfair for some people to live in safe neighborhoods with nice cars; to make things equal, every neighborhood in New York City must become as lawless and chaotic as the worst slums of the Bronx. While “social justice” will not improve the quality of life of allegedly “oppressed” minorities — indeed, black and brown people will be victimized at much higher rates — it will help accomplish Bragg’s real goal, i.e., to make life worse for white people in New York.

You’re not supposed to say this out loud, of course, but this is the ultimate meaning of all that “Critical Race Theory” noise.
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Getting it good and hard in the Blue cities.

Joe knows · Jan 9, 2022

Zorro said: ↑

Like many of these phrases, the labels are lies:

What ‘Social Justice’ Really Means:

It's not just life saving treatments being rationed by race.

Getting it good and hard in the Blue cities.
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This will bring this country to its knees. It’s not something I want

MJ Davies said: ↑

I don't know what this refers to.

Nobody believes that racism only happens in one direction. This is my hang-up about the term "reverse racism" which is often used to describe racism TOWARD white people, but that also tells the tale of why I asked you the question in the first place. Racism (toward black and brown) people is so *ingrained in every fiber of our society* that the term now basically means racism TOWARD black and brown people. There is no such thing as "reverse racism". It's all racism.

Beyond that, I thought that would be your answer based on your many posts about this issue, however, I did not want to assume your rationale. For your consideration, I'd like to give you some insight on this matter. I'm not claiming to be an expert and I'm not saying you are wrong. From where I'm sitting, your position on this is shared by many, many people which tends to lead to one assuming their position is correct and/or significant.

I do not agree that anyone should be discriminated against but I also believe in Santa Claus so there's that. LOL Also, I'll repeat that I'm not racist, homophobic or bigoted toward any people anywhere. I make an effort to understand other people's point of view because I strongly believe the only way for us to bridge gaps and resolve issues is to talk about them and we can't do that effectively if we don't try to truly listen to others. Sure, it's more work but the potential toward a constructive end is well worth the effort.

With that said, what may appear as indifference and/or acceptance of these types of policies is actually more frustration because, EVEN within this, white people receive preferential treatment. It does not appear that way to you and others that receive it in that same way because you don't have any historical evidence by which to compare it.

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I'll move away from this specific topic because I know it bothers you and it may be easier for you to recognize the "point" in another setting.

Example 1: Many years ago, I worked at a company for the District Manager. He was demoted because he was the owner's son-in-law and his wife was leaving him for another man. A black woman was hired to take his place. For close to a year, she only had contact with her team via email or phone. She was talking to one of her employees in a different state who was to pick her up from the airport when she flew in. He asked for her description so he could find her and she disclosed that she was black. He was furious and told her that he is not picking up a n***** and he wasn't working for one. She was initially stunned because he was one of her better employees. She called the owner to tell him what happened and he was also shocked that she was black.

Later that day, she received notice that the employee was no longer in her team and was being reassigned. She had her assistant make arrangements to get a rental car at the airport since the guy refused to have any contact with her. She flew into town, went to her hotel and the manager told her they did not have a reservation for her. She gave them the confirmation numbers and dates but they insisted they didn't have any rooms. She was basically stranded at the airport. It was close to midnight by that point and she had nowhere to stay. She called another employee in the area who picked her up and let her stay with her for the duration of her trip.

From that point forward, the owner's tone changed toward her. Prior to that disclosure, he was always complimenting her work and her work ethic. Afterward, he became verbally abusive constantly and eventually pushed her out in favor of the racist employee.

Privilege 1: A non-white employee could never talk to a supervisor that way and stay employed.
Privilege 2: A non-white owner of a company could never talk to a subordinate that way.
Privilege 3: A non-white hotel manager could get away with refusing a paid-for room to a white traveler.

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This is also the same issue with sexism.

Example 2: One of my neighbors was receiving hate mail (via snail mail). The person sending the mail paid to have them sent with return receipts so she knew that he or she had to have gone to a USPS clerk versus just dropping them in a mailbox. She asked me for advice and I told her that she can call the Postmaster to see what he says about it.

The Postmaster told her that the clerk on duty that day remembers the transaction and if she wanted to file a police report, she could, and they would provide the information for the police to locate the sender. She went to the police station to file the report. A few hours later, the officer called her and said the Postmaster told him that he had no information on the matter and they don't have cameras. That's untrue. She asked for the documents and the officer told her he shredded it all.

Privilege 1: The Postmaster would have cooperated with the police if the complainant was male.
Privilege 2: The Postmaster probably would not have even required her to file a police report but would help if she was mail.
Privilege 3: The police would have made a little bit of effort to sort it out.
Privilege 4: The police probably would not have destroyed the evidence.

And, that continued even within her building. She had reason to suspect a specific neighbor of sending that trash to her. She had some questions about his whereabouts when she was in the hospital because she learned that he heard she was in the hospital and went there claiming to be her husband and demanding the nurse to hand over her purse. Upon her release, she asked the maintenance man if he would look at the video recordings and let her know if that neighbor tried to get into her apartment. He refused claiming that he doesn't know how to do that. She knew that was a lie because he *always* complained to anybody within a hundred miles how he watched the videos to see who did what when something is not right when he comes in. He COULD do it. He WOULDN'T do it.

She went to the property manager and asked and she verified that neighbor tried to turn her doorknob on the day in question. The manager reassured her that they would take care of it. However, when the issue was presented to the President of the property management company, he refused to give approval for the neighbor's eviction and ultimately, that lead to the property manager and her manager siding with the harasser, not my neighbor.

Privilege 5: People in a position to help solve concerns work harder when the person they are helping is male.
Privilege 6: Had the genders been reversed, a female harassing a neighbor would probably be evicted.
Privilege 7: The property manager and her manager would have stood by their policy of eviction for troublemakers.

Again, because we are in the preferential demographic, every single interaction already swings the pendulum in our favor even if we don't realize that is what happened because it's always there and there is nothing to compare it to.

And, we see this all the time on various forums. Black and brown people being hurt or killed by cops are basically shrugged off but a cop killing a white person causes outrage. I have no doubts whatsoever that none of the conversations we hear about Ashli Babbitt's death would have garnered the outrage if the cop involved was not any race except white. That illustrates my point.

Privilege 1: White police officers are excused, for the most part) when they kill a non-white person.
Privilege 2: White victims of cops are elevated in the public's mind and they battle cry for that to be investigated.
Privilege 3: White police officers are given the benefit of the doubt. Non-white officers are not.
Privilege 4: White criminals receive more second chances and less harsh prison terms and/or fines than non-whites for the same offenses.

Look at the thread about Kyle Rittenhouse. He is being held up as a hero and I absolutely have no doubts whatsoever that he is in contact with countless people that applaud what he did who are also probably providing legal help and financial support. So EVEN when a person is deliberately violating all kinds of laws, the people that think his victims deserved it, stand behind him (while simultaneously shifting that same goal post when those actions are carried out by a non-white person.

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Now, back to your topic...You are clearly not happy about this situation and rightfully so. Nobody likes to be excluded.

But, even within this scenario, you have the privilege of (1) being heard, (2) being validated, (3) and being within the demographic that gets first pick in everything everywhere. Historically and currently, these types of issues with non-white people are still being overlooked. I don't mean this to be mean but just look at the fact that you are truly unhappy with this policy and you want and need other people to also be outraged by it because it's not right and, concurrently, still have no regard or empathy toward the people that face this every time they step out their front door.
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personal biases and discrimination you will never get rid of and it’s a shame. However your examples are not of legislative or federal policy nature. This policy coming from a democrat president and being implemented by states with even Republican governors like mine are policy driven. They are not only endorsing discrimination, they are forcing it. They also are discriminatory against females. If you’re a male you get one point of risk apposed to a female getting zero. I’m also against that. A white female will get the least amount of risk and will be furthest back in line than anyone else. This policy should be change as soon as possible. It it playing with people health for discriminatory purposes

Joe knows · Jan 9, 2022

Cybred said: ↑

Nope.
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Maybe you should call up Oxford Languages and tell them that.

Cybred · Jan 9, 2022

Joe knows said: ↑

Maybe you should call up Oxford Languages and tell them that.
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Irrelevant.

Joe knows · Jan 9, 2022

Cybred said: ↑

Irrelevant.
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Of course not. They couldn’t possibly know the English language.

MJ Davies · Jan 9, 2022

Joe knows said: ↑

This will bring this country to its knees. It’s not something I want

personal biases and discrimination you will never get rid of and it’s a shame. However your examples are not of legislative or federal policy nature. This policy coming from a democrat president and being implemented by states with even Republican governors like mine are policy driven. They are not only endorsing discrimination, they are forcing it. They also are discriminatory against females. If you’re a male you get one point of risk apposed to a female getting zero. I’m also against that. A white female will get the least amount of risk and will be furthest back in line than anyone else. This policy should be change as soon as possible. It it playing with people health for discriminatory purposes
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That is correct; however, because of the "built-in" (systemic racism toward non-white and/or females) it will not hit your demographic as hard as you might imagine. For instance, look at what is happening with Rittenhouse. The people that hate the people he killed are helping him in all kinds of ways, including financially. Almost all very public cases like his results in continuous support.

Also, the statistic that nobody can measure is the ripple effect. White males are understandably angry about this decision so the pendulum is going to swing very far to "right that wrong" even if it's not on paper. The first holiday celebrating Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday as a holiday, white police officers were targeting black people. People were beaten, threatened, taken to jail for no reason, it was mayhem. And, again, this proves that there is and always will be white privilege.

And, the most painful part of that is even with these kinds of policies and the justifiable anger and frustration about them, some white males, ounce for ounce, still don't care about how these practices (unspoken or unwritten or not) hurt others. No matter how much you voice your opposition to this, no matter how much time will have passed, no matter how many people shout about it from the rooftops or for how long that happens, you will NEVER, ever, ever have anyone tell you to shut up, it's not happening, you're making it up, your exaggerating, you're looking for a quick pay day or that you are "pulling the race card." Yet all of that happens to every person who is not a white and who is not male. One would think that we could learn from this kind of thing and try to heal some of the pain in our society but even this doesn't appear to be enough to have us all pause and acknowledge the damage that has been done and find ways to bridge those gaps. It's heart-breaking.

Zorro · Jan 9, 2022

Joe knows said: ↑

This will bring this country to its knees. It’s not something I want
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We'll be fine, these clowns with the racism? They need to be out of jobs, but, in the meantime we may have to be satisfied with hauling their racist asses before The Court.

First, keep in mind that the shortage that is being addressed through raced based prioritizing is due to yet another failure of the Dementia Joe Administration "to anticipate the demand for monoclonal antibody treatment and antiviral pills as well as testing kits. New York’s Department of Health has responded to this shortage with a policy that will make race one of the prioritizing factors in distributing available resources. The policy raises serious constitutional concerns over racial preferences in the supply of potentially life-saving treatments."

The lower rate of vaccinations in the minority populations could present a problem for some commentators on the left who have demanded that the unvaccinated be denied care or placed at the end of the line for care at hospitals. While such a policy would be unethical for physicians, people from Jimmy Kimmel to Don Lemon have suggested possibly denying scarce medical resources to those who have not agreed to be vaccinated. That, however, would mean putting a disproportionate number of minority citizens on the “do not heal” list.

This controversy is reminiscent of the litigation over racial preferences used by the Biden Administration under its controversial $4 billion race-based federal relief program for farmers. The awarding of relief based on race immediately raised objections of racial discrimination. The exclusion has been struck down by judges in various states as racially discriminatory. What was particularly concerning was the discovery of a document that showed that the Biden Administration recognized that such racial preferences were presumptively unconstitutional.
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https://jonathanturley.org/2022/01/...s-will-be-prioritized-for-non-white-patients/

Xyce · Jan 9, 2022

Democrats openly support racism against white people--particularly white men.

I will forever be stumped by working-class and middle-class whites that vote Democrat. Talk about voting for your own destruction.

MJ Davies · Jan 9, 2022

Joe knows said: ↑

Do you have a study to back that up? Last I heard diseases aren’t racist
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Further, there are all kinds of diseases that afflict different races in different ways. No, a disease isn't racist (I honestly don't even know what you mean by that) but there are many, many disparities in diagnosing and treating non-whites that you (seemingly) don't know about, because, again, you have privileges in our society.

Here's just one. This isn't isolated by any stretch of the imagination.

dairyair · Jan 9, 2022

Joe knows said: ↑

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bi...ce-prioritizes-race-administering-covid-drugs

so apparently this point system allows whites to still have a seat on the COVID-19 treatment bus however they must sit in back. Whites lose two points Based on nothing other than skin color. You can imagine my discontent with this news so I wrote my governor for not fighting it. He lost my vote and I intend on spreading this news to everyone I know. I hope he loses more than just mine. I’m sure he will.
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Speculating here, I bet most of your legislature and governor are white. And maybe lean right.
So, you are claiming whites are being racist to whites? That would be impossible.

dairyair · Jan 9, 2022

Xyce said: ↑

Democrats openly support racism against white people--particularly white men.

I will forever be stumped by working-class and middle-class whites that vote Democrat. Talk about voting for your own destruction.
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This is Utah. You should understand what it is that you spout before you just blindly blame dems.

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Utah has a Republican trifecta and a Republican triplex. The Republican Party controls the offices of governor, attorney general, and both chambers of the state legislature.

As of January 9, 2022, there are 23 Republican trifectas, 15 Democratic trifectas, and 12 divided governments where neither party holds trifecta control.

As of January 9, 2022, there are 20 Republican triplexes, 18 Democratic triplexes, and 12 divided governments where neither party holds triplex control.

A state government trifecta is a term to describe when one political party holds majorities in both chambers of the state legislature and the governor's office. A state government triplex is a term to describe when one political party holds the following three positions in a state's government: governor, attorney general, and secretary of state. To learn more about trifectas and triplexes, click here.
Party control of Utah state government - Ballotpedia

MJ Davies · Jan 9, 2022

dairyair said: ↑

Speculating here, I bet most of your legislature and governor are white. And maybe lean right.
So, you are claiming whites are being racist to whites? That would be impossible.
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In my experience, people that think that way gloss over that by claiming that they are pandering to <whatever subset>. I'm not speaking for him though. It boggles my mind how people can deny something from someone else but want everyone to stand behind them when they experience even a fraction of that deep hurt from exclsusion.

dairyair · Jan 9, 2022

ShadowX said: ↑

See you all think blacks were brought up like you were. To want equality and to not see race.

But they weren’t. They were brought up in environments where EVERYTHING is about their race. And EVERY problem they have is predicated upon white people and racism. They’re taught growing up that their time will come when they have the power over whitey and they’re expected to use it.
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Why wouldn't they think that. When there are people who want to do this to them?

ShadowX said: ↑

And I got no problem with putting the black population right back in chains.
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dairyair · Jan 9, 2022

ToughTalk said: ↑

Utah is a democratic state. You guys voted this in.

Yes. You reap what you sow.
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LOL.

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Utah has a Republican trifecta and a Republican triplex. The Republican Party controls the offices of governor, attorney general, and both chambers of the state legislature.

As of January 9, 2022, there are 23 Republican trifectas, 15 Democratic trifectas, and 12 divided governments where neither party holds trifecta control.

As of January 9, 2022, there are 20 Republican triplexes, 18 Democratic triplexes, and 12 divided governments where neither party holds triplex control.

A state government trifecta is a term to describe when one political party holds majorities in both chambers of the state legislature and the governor's office. A state government triplex is a term to describe when one political party holds the following three positions in a state's government: governor, attorney general, and secretary of state. To learn more about trifectas and triplexes, click here.

Party control of Utah state government - Ballotpedia

dairyair · Jan 9, 2022

ShadowX said: ↑

Careful saying man. I got a warning for saying “hoss” the other day lol

Then I was told I need to try to recognize all the ways every little snowflake on here might get offended so as not to say.... whatever that might be which hurts their wittle feewings
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There seems to be a whole lot of these so called snowflakes in this thread that have had their feelings hurt.
And so far, only 1 person lives in the state that this is about.

MJ Davies · Jan 9, 2022

ShadowX said: ↑

I don’t understand? As long as we are nice about it and speak kindly on the subject or if we don’t openly admit we are doing so, we can be racist and discriminate?
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That is exactly how it happens.

dairyair · Jan 9, 2022

ToughTalk said: ↑

I'm sorry you lack the ability to scroll down and read. lol. That's a YOU problem.
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Says the person who thinks Utah gov't is democrat!!

dairyair · Jan 9, 2022

Joe knows said: ↑

Do you have a study to back that up? Last I heard diseases aren’t racist
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And you're correct. Diseases are not racist. But certain types of people are more susceptible to certain types of diseases.

MJ Davies · Jan 9, 2022

ShadowX said: ↑

See you all think blacks were brought up like you were. To want equality and to not see race.

But they weren’t. They were brought up in environments where EVERYTHING is about their race. And EVERY problem they have is predicated upon white people and racism. They’re taught growing up that their time will come when they have the power over whitey and they’re expected to use it.
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Can you explain to me why it is understandable to have "categories" for white people but not for non-white people?

dairyair · Jan 9, 2022

Steve N said: ↑

Ok. So when the left says white people are born with privileges and they’re superior as in supremacy, it’s the left who are the racists.
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Except Utah I guess.

Party control of Utah state government - Ballotpedia
Utah has a Republican trifecta and a Republican triplex. The Republican Party controls the offices of governor, attorney general, and both chambers of the state legislature.

As of January 9, 2022, there are 23 Republican trifectas, 15 Democratic trifectas, and 12 divided governments where neither party holds trifecta control.

As of January 9, 2022, there are 20 Republican triplexes, 18 Democratic triplexes, and 12 divided governments where neither party holds triplex control.

A state government trifecta is a term to describe when one political party holds majorities in both chambers of the state legislature and the governor's office. A state government triplex is a term to describe when one political party holds the following three positions in a state's government: governor, attorney general, and secretary of state. To learn more about trifectas and triplexes, click here.

dairyair · Jan 9, 2022

Xyce said: ↑

Democrats openly support racism against white people--particularly white men.

I will forever be stumped by working-class and middle-class whites that vote Democrat. Talk about voting for your own destruction.
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What? Utah is not Dem. I am stumped at those who can't do the simple research needed to not make a bad statement.

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Utah has a Republican trifecta and a Republican triplex. The Republican Party controls the offices of governor, attorney general, and both chambers of the state legislature.

As of January 9, 2022, there are 23 Republican trifectas, 15 Democratic trifectas, and 12 divided governments where neither party holds trifecta control.

As of January 9, 2022, there are 20 Republican triplexes, 18 Democratic triplexes, and 12 divided governments where neither party holds triplex control.

A state government trifecta is a term to describe when one political party holds majorities in both chambers of the state legislature and the governor's office. A state government triplex is a term to describe when one political party holds the following three positions in a state's government: governor, attorney general, and secretary of state. To learn more about trifectas and triplexes, click here.
Party control of Utah state government - Ballotpedia

Joe knows · Jan 9, 2022

dairyair said: ↑

Speculating here, I bet most of your legislature and governor are white. And maybe lean right.
So, you are claiming whites are being racist to whites? That would be impossible.
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This was a federal policy. My state legislature has nothing to do with it. However my governor could have fought it. He won’t get my vote again. Yes he’s white but that means nothing as to the fact this is a racist policy

ToughTalk · Jan 9, 2022

dairyair said: ↑

Says the person who thinks Utah gov't is democrat!!
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Ya I'll admit, I missed the boat on that, as I for some reason thought it turned blue in the last election. Which makes it odd that republicans would vote in or implement such a divisive and racist policy against white people. As you do typically see this kind of "hur dur equity by being racist towards white people!" directed from the VP down to the blue States. The red ones tell her to go stick her equity nonsense between her mud flaps.

I'd be writing a letter to congress asking them wtf they are thinking.

Good for you Dairy, you finally got a win!

ToughTalk · Jan 10, 2022

Being a diabetic is the same risk score as being black. LOL! What a ****ing joke. Did the Chinese create a virus that was meant to target black people? Are black people fragile as ****?

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