Racism towards whites has hit my home state.

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  1. Vernan89188

    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    There is nothing to defend, attack, or make excuses for. Fox news sells propaganda and the OP's assessment is just wrong.
     
  2. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where is the study that demonstrates scientifically that blacks are more susceptible to covid than whites? There are studies which indicate that blacks are more reluctant to take the vaccine. Why should whites be penalized for that?
     
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    agree, this is racist.... we should all speak out against all racism
     
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    discrimination based on race... is racism
     
  5. Moonglow

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    No.
     
  6. Moonglow

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    You are a human with no color? Pictures or this statement means nothing.
     
  7. Sirius Black

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    You are making an assumption the whites are being penalized.

    Blacks have the lowest percentage of vaccinated of any ethnic group.
    Percent at least 1 shot fully vaccinated

    Blacks 44 38

    White 51 46


    https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/


    Other things factor into the scale such as age (discriminates against younger people), medical conditions ( discriminates against healthy), not vaccinated, partially vaccinated, fully vaccinated (discriminates against the vaccinated).

    If a white person has stage 2 cancer and a black person has stage 4 cancer might there be a reason other than race that the person with the most serious risk would get priority?
    Don’t try to turn this into race thing unless you know all the facts. I don't, but I would find it hard to believe that the situation is as stated in prior posts.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It was already a race thing.
     
  9. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

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    That study is about aids and how it effects CD4+lymphocyte count (white blood cells) it has nothing to do with COVID or how it effects race.
     
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    Maybe you can explain how it was not.
     
  11. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

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    How did I know
     
  12. Moonglow

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    Jim Crow laws were created to enforce legal racial segregation. The laws were meant to marginalize African Americans by denying them the right to vote, hold jobs, get an education or other opportunities. Those who attempted to defy Jim Crow laws often faced arrest, fines, jail sentences, violence, and death.
    So therefore a white person can't be marginalized with Jim Crow laws that were made by whites for African Americans.
     
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    well at least the right is admitting that racism against blacks exists

    but I agree, this is also racism.... racism is never a good thing... especially when you're deciding who lives and who dies based on race

    blacks that support this, are being as bad as whites that support racism, this has to stop
     
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    1. I need more than just your statement that it was because there other possibilities.

    2. I am not the one making the claim. I have already explained an alternate theory.
     
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    They are making a decision based on race.
     
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    No that is what you think or may believe. Did you make that decision based on race?
     
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    The black population of UTAH is barely `1%, no big deal.
     
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    I don’t understand? As long as we are nice about it and speak kindly on the subject or if we don’t openly admit we are doing so, we can be racist and discriminate?
     
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    You are making stuff up. You have no idea that I think or believe.
    I made it based on the story. They are making decisions based on race. I have seen no study which says the blacks are more susceptible to covid than whites except that fewer of them have taken the vaccine.
     
  20. Darthcervantes

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    Apparently you don’t know what it is.
    Here’s a clue
    Different rules for different races = racism
    And also
    Orange man bad!!
     
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    I don't know what this refers to.
    Nobody believes that racism only happens in one direction. This is my hang-up about the term "reverse racism" which is often used to describe racism TOWARD white people, but that also tells the tale of why I asked you the question in the first place. Racism (toward black and brown) people is so *ingrained in every fiber of our society* that the term now basically means racism TOWARD black and brown people. There is no such thing as "reverse racism". It's all racism.

    Beyond that, I thought that would be your answer based on your many posts about this issue, however, I did not want to assume your rationale. For your consideration, I'd like to give you some insight on this matter. I'm not claiming to be an expert and I'm not saying you are wrong. From where I'm sitting, your position on this is shared by many, many people which tends to lead to one assuming their position is correct and/or significant.

    I do not agree that anyone should be discriminated against but I also believe in Santa Claus so there's that. LOL Also, I'll repeat that I'm not racist, homophobic or bigoted toward any people anywhere. I make an effort to understand other people's point of view because I strongly believe the only way for us to bridge gaps and resolve issues is to talk about them and we can't do that effectively if we don't try to truly listen to others. Sure, it's more work but the potential toward a constructive end is well worth the effort.

    With that said, what may appear as indifference and/or acceptance of these types of policies is actually more frustration because, EVEN within this, white people receive preferential treatment. It does not appear that way to you and others that receive it in that same way because you don't have any historical evidence by which to compare it.

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    I'll move away from this specific topic because I know it bothers you and it may be easier for you to recognize the "point" in another setting.


    Example 1: Many years ago, I worked at a company for the District Manager. He was demoted because he was the owner's son-in-law and his wife was leaving him for another man. A black woman was hired to take his place. For close to a year, she only had contact with her team via email or phone. She was talking to one of her employees in a different state who was to pick her up from the airport when she flew in. He asked for her description so he could find her and she disclosed that she was black. He was furious and told her that he is not picking up a n***** and he wasn't working for one. She was initially stunned because he was one of her better employees. She called the owner to tell him what happened and he was also shocked that she was black.

    Later that day, she received notice that the employee was no longer in her team and was being reassigned. She had her assistant make arrangements to get a rental car at the airport since the guy refused to have any contact with her. She flew into town, went to her hotel and the manager told her they did not have a reservation for her. She gave them the confirmation numbers and dates but they insisted they didn't have any rooms. She was basically stranded at the airport. It was close to midnight by that point and she had nowhere to stay. She called another employee in the area who picked her up and let her stay with her for the duration of her trip.

    From that point forward, the owner's tone changed toward her. Prior to that disclosure, he was always complimenting her work and her work ethic. Afterward, he became verbally abusive constantly and eventually pushed her out in favor of the racist employee.

    Privilege 1: A non-white employee could never talk to a supervisor that way and stay employed.
    Privilege 2: A non-white owner of a company could never talk to a subordinate that way.
    Privilege 3: A non-white hotel manager could get away with refusing a paid-for room to a white traveler.

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    This is also the same issue with sexism.

    Example 2: One of my neighbors was receiving hate mail (via snail mail). The person sending the mail paid to have them sent with return receipts so she knew that he or she had to have gone to a USPS clerk versus just dropping them in a mailbox. She asked me for advice and I told her that she can call the Postmaster to see what he says about it.

    The Postmaster told her that the clerk on duty that day remembers the transaction and if she wanted to file a police report, she could, and they would provide the information for the police to locate the sender. She went to the police station to file the report. A few hours later, the officer called her and said the Postmaster told him that he had no information on the matter and they don't have cameras. That's untrue. She asked for the documents and the officer told her he shredded it all.

    Privilege 1: The Postmaster would have cooperated with the police if the complainant was male.
    Privilege 2: The Postmaster probably would not have even required her to file a police report but would help if she was mail.
    Privilege 3: The police would have made a little bit of effort to sort it out.
    Privilege 4: The police probably would not have destroyed the evidence.

    And, that continued even within her building. She had reason to suspect a specific neighbor of sending that trash to her. She had some questions about his whereabouts when she was in the hospital because she learned that he heard she was in the hospital and went there claiming to be her husband and demanding the nurse to hand over her purse. Upon her release, she asked the maintenance man if he would look at the video recordings and let her know if that neighbor tried to get into her apartment. He refused claiming that he doesn't know how to do that. She knew that was a lie because he *always* complained to anybody within a hundred miles how he watched the videos to see who did what when something is not right when he comes in. He COULD do it. He WOULDN'T do it.

    She went to the property manager and asked and she verified that neighbor tried to turn her doorknob on the day in question. The manager reassured her that they would take care of it. However, when the issue was presented to the President of the property management company, he refused to give approval for the neighbor's eviction and ultimately, that lead to the property manager and her manager siding with the harasser, not my neighbor.

    Privilege 5: People in a position to help solve concerns work harder when the person they are helping is male.
    Privilege 6: Had the genders been reversed, a female harassing a neighbor would probably be evicted.
    Privilege 7: The property manager and her manager would have stood by their policy of eviction for troublemakers.

    Again, because we are in the preferential demographic, every single interaction already swings the pendulum in our favor even if we don't realize that is what happened because it's always there and there is nothing to compare it to.


    And, we see this all the time on various forums. Black and brown people being hurt or killed by cops are basically shrugged off but a cop killing a white person causes outrage. I have no doubts whatsoever that none of the conversations we hear about Ashli Babbitt's death would have garnered the outrage if the cop involved was not any race except white. That illustrates my point.

    Privilege 1: White police officers are excused, for the most part) when they kill a non-white person.
    Privilege 2: White victims of cops are elevated in the public's mind and they battle cry for that to be investigated.
    Privilege 3: White police officers are given the benefit of the doubt. Non-white officers are not.
    Privilege 4: White criminals receive more second chances and less harsh prison terms and/or fines than non-whites for the same offenses.



    Look at the thread about Kyle Rittenhouse. He is being held up as a hero and I absolutely have no doubts whatsoever that he is in contact with countless people that applaud what he did who are also probably providing legal help and financial support. So EVEN when a person is deliberately violating all kinds of laws, the people that think his victims deserved it, stand behind him (while simultaneously shifting that same goal post when those actions are carried out by a non-white person.

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    Now, back to your topic...You are clearly not happy about this situation and rightfully so. Nobody likes to be excluded.

    But, even within this scenario, you have the privilege of (1) being heard, (2) being validated, (3) and being within the demographic that gets first pick in everything everywhere. Historically and currently, these types of issues with non-white people are still being overlooked. I don't mean this to be mean but just look at the fact that you are truly unhappy with this policy and you want and need other people to also be outraged by it because it's not right and, concurrently, still have no regard or empathy toward the people that face this every time they step out their front door.
     
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    Ok. So when the left says white people are born with privileges and they’re superior as in supremacy, it’s the left who are the racists.
     
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    here’s an interesting article about minority privilege.

    ‘Minority privilege’ now more common amid the growing ‘war on whiteness’


    The left is furious about “white privilege.” And while it’s true white people have benefited from major advantages over time, it’s a concept that is rapidly fading — especially now, as the reverse is coming true. Minorities are increasingly becoming privileged while growing numbers of white people face discrimination.

    https://nypost.com/2022/01/08/minority-privilege-is-now-more-common-than-white-privilege/
     
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    Nope.
     
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    Still nope.
     

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