‘We Are Americans First’ Donald Trump Calls For Peace; Condemns Violence ‘From All Sides’

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  1. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you know what you can do... don your hood and light your torch and go after the ones you hate. But no one will be following.
     
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    Yeah Obama was silent and even supported BLM and the media and left gave him a free pass but when it comes to Trump no matter what he does including denouncing violence on both sides he is still the bad guy.

    They want him to scratch his ass every time they feel it is needed but never gave a crap about anything Obama ever did. They are so two faced and fake.
     
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    Trump did the right thing. He condemned all violence instead of taking sides. If only Obama had been so presidential, we might not be in this place to begin with....
     
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    I NEVER said Germany and the KKK were the same group....I guess you have to LIE when defending your precious Nazis...And I hope it's through ignorance of what they are that you defend them...

    You didn't refute one word of my post:

    But we destroyed the Nazis and White Supremists in WWII for a reason..... a reason you will never understand...


    The world didn't stop them when there were warnings signs, when Nazis were getting a foothold ...and look what happened.....


    You want this all over again?????

    See, let me see if I can make you understand....Nazis/White Supremists = Bad People

    But I doubt YOU see them as bad....
     
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    If you want fake just take a look in the mirror. All we keep hearing about is Obama, Obama, Obama, newsflash genius Obama isn't the POTUS anymore. Why do you keep making excuses and trying to change to focus on the events of yesterday.
     
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    Try being honest. That isn't what I said. I said he never specifically called out BLM when a BLM supporter attacked others.

    If you still deny this then produce the quote where he did. Put your money where your mouth is @superbadbrutha.

    I'm the one with the screeenshots of your racist quotes. Where are yours of mine you claim exist?
     
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    That has never been our thing, putting on hoods, burning crosses and terrorizing people. Well we know plenty were following the Alt-right, Klan and neo Nazis yesterday. Hell even David Duke came out of the woodwork and was giving speeches.
     
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    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You got that line from your party leaders. If you possessed critical thinking, you would realize you are only talking about 5,000 votes - 7,000 max. Do you really think that's a big sweat?
     
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    The sheep have been pacified by ignorance, propaganda and "Necessary Illusions, Thought control in a democratic society". The book is a good read if you are interested.

    The masses now readily accept that politicians lie and that both sides are corrupt yet, they keep voting for their continued sodomization by voting Red or Blue rather than "none of the above". Year after year they hear the same tired old platitudes " Greater Security, More Jobs, Less Debt, Lower Crime ... bla bla bla" and see the same people do an about face when they get into office yet they keep buying into the BS and voting the same people in.

    Rand Paul is one of the few that I respect. I do not agree with everything he says but, the dude sticks to his guns. Rand is one of the few that stood up and called out Hillary and Obama for supporting and arming Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria.

    Stop for a moment ... create a clearing space in the forest that is your mind.

    We have a prominent member of Congress (member of the homeland security committee) go on national TV - CNNs Sunday morning program "State of the Union" and say:

    http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2...-my-son-into-that-mess-on-the-crisis-in-iraq/

    WTF ?????? Is what just happened registering in that clearing space in your brain or are you numb like the majority of the raging masses.

    How could Rand say such a thing ? Is he out of his mind ? Has he gone crazy ? Accusing the Obama Administration, Pentagon, CIA ... of arming and supporting the 911 terrorist group ?

    Now this is "NEWS" ... this is "NEWS" of the highest order. Every media outlet both TV, Radio and in Print should have been on this. "Is this True" "Has Paul Gone Crazy" ? and so on.

    What Rand said is a demonstrable fact (a point backed up by numerous other Senators- and even VP-Biden (oops), the DIA, Westpoint counter terrorism agency, and a plethora of other journalists, reporters and ME experts and military personnel) but, this is not the point. What is amazing was the response of the MSM.

    Complete and utter silence.

    Trump is now well aware of what we did in Syria but he is not going to run against that herd of stampeding bulls. To the contrary, he is cuddling up the regime that is the keeper of the source ideology the is followed by - Al Qaeda/Al Nusra, Taliban, Islamic Front, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab, ISIS and a host of other groups of the same ilk - that are committing terrorist acts all over the world.

    Saudi Arabia has been exporting this extremist Islamist ideology all over the world for decades and it has been arming and supporting these groups.

    We continue to be involved in a war in Yemen with the Saud, a war that has been waged now for 2 years in which war crimes and crimes against humanity are the rule rather than the exception. A war that we hear almost nothing about and when we do it is propaganda or abject nonsense - no coverage from reporters on the front lines (like in Viet Nam) saying what is going on there - even if it is spin.

    The silence is deafening.

    The establishment either owns or controls the MSM. International financiers that sit on the Boards of Directors of the major corporations that own the media.
    You are not going to hear much about the evil deeds of Saudi Arabia on GE owned NBC because the GE and the members of the Board do far to much business with the Saud.

    Do not expect the sheep to rise up any time soon.
     
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    BS the President Obama condemned the attack or murder of innocent people or police officers everytime it happened.

    Use Google and look it up yourself.

    That BS was debunked months ago, come up with something new.
     
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    That is what folks like you would like us to believe.
     
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    If Barry had a son he'd look just like Trayvon. Dead.

    Did The Don encourage these rioting nazis to stay the course?
     
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    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is the DEMOCRAT way.
    Always was, and now that we can see the woman behind the curtain, it's apparently still the way.
     
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    False. You're still sputtering about your fake version of the past. (Obama, who completed two terms with 59% approval) frequently condemned violence in unambiguous terms, but the current very unpopular POTUS's has now attempted to make up for his initial weakling remarks. As his Scaramucci and others have noted, he should have done so sooner. His weasel words make him look even worse.
     
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    That would be yooj, but he pays flunkies to do that.
     
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    If Obama had shared confidential info with known Russian spies as Trump did, would you have been as complacent as you are now with Trump? Does a President who openly sides with Russian dictators even against America's longest and strongest allies really care about America? If you think so, you have a very different vision of America and Americans than I.
     
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    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why are you addressing this to me?
     
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    Never did he call out the BLM like you demand Trump do now. Not ever.

    More reliable than a Swiss Watch. As predicted you can't back yourself up. Again.

    You've never debunked it. Your only pathetic excuse is that somehow its out of context then you never provide it.

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    And we are still waiting....
     
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    Yes, not so bad if you have an attractive lover, and the TV works. .

    Domestic Terrorists: Call them by their real name.

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    Whether Trump can honestly admit to right-wing terrorism committed by his goons on the alt-right in no way concerns historical figures, and desperate attempts to divert attention only underscores that desperation to avoid confronting the current event.

    - and far too many respectable Republicans have commented on Trump's inadequacy in the matter for his cult to whine about those ubiquitous "liberals" - scapegoats that fester forever in their noggins.
     
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    Yeah I really do agree, it seems like such a small thing to him and I can't see it having that much an effect on his base if he did. But this is literally the same situation Obama was in before where he refused to use the words "Islamic Terrorist" which like Trump was for the sake of his base. It really is surprising how similar these case studies are and in both cases it all just boils down to an overall 'image thing really'. It is fascinating how "the math" is calculated and we can draw interesting hypothesis from both Presidents' actions.

    Case 1 - Obama not saying Islamic Terrorist/Terrorism
    The partisan supporters could be frustrated with the lack of aggressive messaging and 'stay home' vs Partisan agitators paint im as either "weak" or "racist/mean" this must be calculated first. But overall,you add your estimates for the + and the - and you build your strategy around that.

    Case 2 - Trump not saying White Power/Nazi/whatever
    Same thing really, if he says anything more specific he will be seen as weak by his base who may 'stay home' vs what the partisans against him will will be able to find to support their message that he is racist.

    At this point what is so interesting to me, is that the large majority of the population is truly "over it" and has now subtracted themselves from politics in every way. The only people left are about 20% of hard core Democrats and 20% of hard core Republicans. Their ideals are diometrically opposed and anyone who talks moderately is shunned.

    But I digress..... I really did agree on that issue as well as now, that Obama/Trump should have spoken more directly but I REALLY disagreed with how Republicans used that fight for months and moths to condescend to.... what a waste. Which now, of course, Democrats are copying.

    However, like in Obama's rhetorical issue, I said I thought he was wrong and moved on. I think the over dramatization and reliance on the same stupid argument the Republicans used with Obama is really bad for the country. They basically have refused to say the exact words their opponents wanted them .... is this really what politics has devolved to now days?

    I am sure I am going to get emails from both sides of the isle from this stating how "Wrong I am and that the other guys' situation is WAY worse!" I have stated before, "When both parties call me a traitor I am usually posting something truthful."

    Get over it, be the bigger person and don't repeat the mistakes the Right has made. You will gain a ton of votes in the middle if you do. Is there no chance we can get away from the tit for tat going on from both parties? I have now asked this question three times and sadly most people attack or make fun of me....

    I would personally respect you so much more to say something like this below, it still gets your digs in and would be HUGE with us Independents. Lastly, I don't see your base being tempered in any way if you do, this earns you the "high road" which you work for and you will still get the "low road" for free from the built up anger. You have sufficiently pumped that part of your base up to the point that this rhetoric won't lower your leverage with them.
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    "Helo my fellow Californians! I would first like to point out that this is an identical example of when the Republicans would try to lambaste Obama for not using the exact words "Islamic Terrorist". We would like to also point out that while we think harsher rhetoric should have been used in the recent Charlottsville events involving these obviously racist groups, the Democratic Party is looking to prosecute those at fault and then use this as a starting point to build better relations between our two parties. We are hoping to be the first one to reach a hand across the isle, with the belief that the Republicans will be able to follow our lead. This will hopefully be the first step in creating a political world where the issues are more important than the personalities. Thank you and God bless!"
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    No? Wathcha think? Now who said I wasn't a 'Utopian-ist" right????!????

    But as a right leaning Independent, if you did this and stuck to it? You could stamp a D on my forehead until the Republicans made some changes
     
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    I'm not convinced he openly sided with them and if he did I would not agree with him there. Trump is not perfect but what is wrong with denouncing violence on all sides? Do you have a problem with Trump denouncing violence?
     
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    Attempts to divert attention? Are you referring to the fact that Obama supports violence while Trump denounces it? FAIL.Try again.
     
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    So are you saying his son would have looked like Justin Bieber.

    Did he specifically discourage them?
     

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