“GOP embraces natural immunity as substitute for vaccines”

You've been duped again. Share with us the numbers of those with previous infections that have been hospitalized or died from CV-19 with re-infection. Go ahead... share it.

 

If you didn't know, 99% of scientific articles have a self-deprecating shortcomings section which is considered to be good form. And 99% of them say that more research is needed. This stereotypical way to write up the conclusion of 99% of the studies says nothing about whether or not a study is solid. They all end like this; it's considered arrogant if they don't. The 1% that don't, are usually authored by arrogant young research fellows who were poorly supervised. Because if they get to be properly supervised, the more experienced supervisor will say, "hey, where is the part where you point to your study's shortcomings and you ask for more research? No piece of research has all the answers, no study is perfect, and science always advances step by step on a ladder, with people stepping on the last discovery to get to new discoveries. One of the points that show scientific value, is to point to new avenues and how the topic could be even better explored."

Trying to invalidate a study based on this quasi-obligatory characteristic, betrays unfamiliarity with the scientific literature.

 

Yeah, post #26 doctor.

 

Did you even read your own study.... doctor? Per this whatever study, that is nowhere near the Cleveland Study or La Jolla Study, but anyways per your study....

Natural immunity was 6X better than vaccines.

• 1,020 had previously had the infection and were unvaccinated, while 6,328 were fully vaccinated individuals who had not had the infection previously.

 

Straight out the gate, this OP suffers from some seriously deficient reasoning.

A couple points to address here. First the breakdown along vaccination lines isn't purely by party though it might trend more to one party over the other. Literally the entire pure antivax position used to be a very hard left position in opposition to non-natural solutions and also against big pharma. The vaccine came from the Trump administration and elements like me with regard to vaccination declare that Trump is the head vaccine salesperson. That said at this stage it is more about legitimate science and authoritarian vs unauthoritarian solutions.

Natural immunity isn't a political talking point, maneuver or anything strange like that. In fact the default position for all other vaccines is that if you've had what they are supposed to cover, you don't get the vaccine.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE OPPOSITE OF THAT IS ANTISCIENCE?!?!?!

If you've had chicken pox, you don't get the chicken pox vaccine. If you've had polio, you don't get the polio vaccine. If you've had the measles, you don't go get the measles vaccine.

It is only with COVID that we have SOME health officials and politicians saying...you've had COVID but go get the vaccine.

It isn't a stand in. There was this period of time where VACCINES DIDN'T EXIST. Many people, especially "essential and frontline" workers went out there and did what needed to be done. Often as part of that, they were exposed to and had COVID.

The "new thing" is to deny natural immunity. In fact natural immunity and herd immunity are REAL SCIENTIFIC CONCEPTS and were the main path back before OPERATION WARP SPEED gave us these vaccines. The vaccines themselves have been developed for a virus we have never been successful designing a vaccine for before and likewise using a new process that we didn't used to call a vaccine or have used in this manner before. It's all very new.

I'm not going to give those two much time since they aren't even attributed to anyone in particular. Hell half of them could be attributed to Fauci since he has been on every side of all the issues associated with COVID. Also many of them are still true. Children for example with no comorbidities have a death rate from COVID that is statistically zero. It isn't impossible but highly improbable. It is akin to a few children are struck by lightening every year, or drown in a puddle or have a bad reaction to an unknown food. It happens.

The efficacy and long term outcomes of the vaccines are this stage should be openly questioned. The promises related to them have almost all failed to perform. We were first told they had sterilizing immunity. We all remember the big White House ceremony where life could go back to normal because a vaccinated person couldn't carry the virus or pass it on to others. Then THREE WEEKS LATER they discovered that wasn't true, especially with the Delta variant and the masks went back on. Early data from the UK and Israel showed rapidly falling efficacy and that at six months there was zero protection. Thus those countries were among the first to demand a "booster" aka an attempt to help the vaccine lift its efficacy back up.

Then on top of that we had a complete denial of the seasonality of COVID. Instead we had literally thousands of statements about how those terrible RED STATES were inviting death in and their case and hospitalization rates, in the middle of the summer with maximum humidity in the deep south, were proof that all their policies were bunk, that they were ignorant, and that of course the virtuous blue states in completely different zones for weather were wonderful and a prime example of decisions done correctly.

Except many of us knew then and the world should certainly understand now that COVID has a seasonality to it and the blue states are all heading into their dark, cold winters and their case rates and hospitalization rates are climbing through the roof and running ahead of last year.

That is all happening in spite of vaccination, boosters, lockdowns, masks, mandates, and vax passes.

The track record shows that our efforts have done nothing but lengthen the course of the disease. Every bit of modeling for FLATTENING THE CURVE did not alter the final numbers at all. It never claimed a single less person would die or not get COVID. The point was to trade length of time for ability to address via our health institutions. Along the way we "lucked out" and were told that Operation Warp Speed and created vaccines in record time, literally faster than any vaccine before had ever been produced. Thus this vaccine could alter the numbers that otherwise wouldn't be altered by flattening the curve.

However it simply appears that is not going to be the case. If you've used your six months of vaccination protection to up your vitamin D, drop 40lbs, and get yourself in a healthier state, then perhaps it will alter the outcome but otherwise, line up every six months and hope for the best. We've seen nothing but a string of broken promises about life returning to normal, the promises of zero COVID and the vaccines are all broken. Biden is tanking in the polls not just because of his terrible policies but because COVID is still causing problems and people vote their problems.

 

Sure doctor. There are more links but facts seem to be a waste of time.

 

I just nuked you with your own link. lol

 

Oh yeah you are the expert. I will go out on a limb and listen to my doctor.

 

The science actually embraces it. It is government that is ignoring the science.

Perhaps you have missed the fact that the things government is doing are not only ineffective, some of them are harmful.

 

If the vaccine was so great:

Why do you need a list of lies to sell it?
Why does it come with a "use at your own risk" disclaimer?
Why do you need to force people to take it?
Why do the vaccinated need to wear a mask?
Why do you need a booster so soon?

Forcing this vaccine denies scientists the ability to research Covid resistant people. Did you know that many people were exposed to Covid on a regular basis and didn't catch it? Many did catch it, but experienced mild to no symptoms.

Are you telling us we should ignore science so that the pharm companies can enjoy record profits selling this inferior product?

 

Your link... the one you provided as your "proof", mathematically concludes that Natural Immunity is 6X better than vaccines. Did you even read it before you shared the link? If not... read the last few sentences where they buried it.

 

Most doctors not infected with political overhead say natural immunity is more effective than vaccinated immunity because it affects the entire viral particle, not just the spike proteins.

The advantage of the vaccine is that it gives the immune system a head start in developing antibodies. One would expect a vaccinated patient to have less severe symptoms for that reason and in fact this is born out in clinical studies. Without a vaccine the immune system takes longer to develop antibodies, giving he infection more time to cause symptoms. So vaccination has that advantage over natural immunity. However, after infection, you would rather have the natural immunity which is stronger. And, in fact, if a vaccinated person becomes infected and recovers, that person then has natural immunity.

Also note that we are vaccinating against delta and mu strains of the virus with vaccines designed for the original strain. They have become less effective as a result but have remained effective enough to keep most vaccinated people out of the hospital. Those who recovered from delta or mu have far, far more effective immunity to those strains.

 

Mostly not Trump quote, but dutiful MSM corresponds and pundits feeling mental pablum to the dutiful democrat dolts.

 

I've learned it's a waste of time to argument with stupidity.

 

Not to me you didn't .. and who cares about your link - this "Study" and is a respected study -- says Natural immunity was 7 times better than Vax with the old varient .. 27 times better with Delta.

Where are the numbers you promised .. how many people who got covid got reinfected -- The link I posted gives those numbers cited from the Study .. How much do you want to bet that your link doesnt ?

 

No it doesn't. Seriously why do you constantly and deliberately post the direct opposite of the article.

Here is another.
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covi...5-times-more-protective-than-natural-immunity

 

It literally does. It showed over 6K reinfection of the vaccinated and barely 1K of those with natural immunity. You can do simple Math?

 

I'm not here to do your web searches. I just provided another to another poster.

 

This site needs to filter out posts like yours.

 

You made the claim .. "Science" .. Not up to me to do your web searches for you -- up to you to back up your claim. But .. I did do the search for you .. posing numbers from the Israeli Study .. which showed natural immunity was 6-7 times better at preventing infection-hospitalization than the vax for the old varient .. 27 times better than the vax with delta

If you have nothing else to add ... good

Study: COVID recovery gave Israelis longer-lasting Delta defense than vaccines

The variant was 27 times more likely to break through Pfizer protection from January-February and cause symptoms than it was to penetrate natural immunity from the same period

https://www.timesofisrael.com/study...s-longer-lasting-delta-defense-than-vaccines/

Now stop gulping down the Biden-Fauci lies propaganda and false narrative.. worse than Trump this clown show.

 

Do you dispute that your own link showed a 6 to 1 failure of vaccines compared to natural immunity? Are you seriously calling for those that share the Math and facts from your own link to be silenced? How about you use the ignore function instead of calling for those sharing facts to be censored? You seem to be immune to facts... so why not just exclude those that share facts from your "reality". You can have a Safe Space where facts are not shared. It would be so safe.

You owned yourself. All I had to do was point it out.

Again... Natural Immunity is far far far superior to vaccinations. It's not even close. Those that have "break through cases" far far far exceed any "re-infections" by a 6 X 1 ratio per your own link. In fact, we cannot find buy a handful of actual re-infection cases out of the 30,000,000 that have already contracted CV-19, which means by Math and Science that those with Natural Immunity have zero need for the vaccine. They are already far more protected... and it's not even close.

 

Careful with sharing facts like that. This member may call for you to be silenced by the staff here. Don't worry... that only works on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, and other Big Tech outlets.

 

Yeah just repeat the same thing.

 

Classic Denial .. Why do you keep repeating/posting the facts .. while I produce nothing to support my claim .. defend my position - I gave some other poster a link that defends my position.

I respond
Oh .. Ok .. What are the numbers given .. what study .. you know ..like the link I posted .. citing numbers .. the Israeli Study found Natural Immunity 27 times better than the vax against Delta.

Member responds - Ahhh Ahhhh ... why do you keep repeating the same thing Ahhh Ahhh .. go do your own research.

I respond .. I did the research for you .. even though it is your claim .. post again XYZ

Member .. Ahhh Ahhhh .. why do you keep repeating yourself - in a vicious circle of self deception and thought avoidance.

Its quite strange this reaction that we see quite often in some of the Partisan on the Left .. eeriely similar to the reaction you will get from stauch Fundamentalist/literalists in the Religious section - when coming across information which conflicts with dogma.

Spooky that the State Propaganda apparatus has managed to "implant" similar mind control responses .. "thought stopping" in this case.. desperate to avoid the "bad news" - engage in the most mind twisting - irrational and illogical behavoir to avoid the bad thought.

Spooky and disturbing stuff-- Fa Real...

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Source that bs there.