“Whites Steal African Resources!”

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  1. LangleyMan

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    Which didn't stop it, just made it illegal.
     
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    You seem to have some problem finding examples, so here's one.

    A school system has decided that the "F" grade is discriminatory- because it has a higher rate of occurrence among their black students. It has decided there will be no F grade at all- nobody fails. So they lower the bar, and give failing students a passing grade- and a diploma. That student is still not educated, but he's arbitrarily given the symbols of education. That means he competes for jobs with people who did earn their diplomas on equal grounds- and that is deception. Because this was done for the racial objective of not failing black students (the majority benefiting from the rule are black) they are not only creating the illusion of greater competence in those people, they are reducing the value of the diplomas honestly earned, where black is not the majority. Lowering the bar- and Biden telling people to lower their expectations, is a really stupid thing to do. And it DOES discriminate against- well, I guess you would have to say everyone. The educated loose part of the advantage of being educated, the ones getting past without education are put into a world where that incapacity will fail them. Then of course, they will blame getting fired for incompetence on racism, and start looking for a way to "peacefully protest" that great injustice. They will approach life- with a chip on the shoulder.... hostility, looking first for proof of racism, knowing for sure that they will be the victims of it.

    One could write a book on the consequences of adjusting the goalposts to shift the score under the delusion of off-setting racism that isn't there.
    It's a hell of a mess, mostly created by people telling themselves they care and are doing something good. Very near-sighted, tunnel-vision people. AKA- thinking of themselves as progressives.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So if you remove "F" grade from everyone, then that somehow turns into white discrimination against blacks?
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No- it's a preferential free pass for failing blacks, putting the uneducated on the same level as those who earned their diploma, black and white. That primarily discriminates against non-blacks. Not by individual, but by the groups.
    Very much like thinking that the disproportionate number of blacks in prison is evidence of white racism, not black crime. Therefore we refuse to prosecute black crime to compensate.... and increase the number of black criminals on the street who will prey on- everyone. That isn't speculation, it's in your face reality everyday now.

    In San Francisco alone, Walgreens Drugs have closed 28 stores due to shoplifting becoming an organized form of crime that is not prosecuted.... and the majority of people seen looting the stores on video are people of color. BLM for example- says looting is jut reparations, and not relevant because the stores have insurance anyway. When a crime that is primarily the acts of minorities gets a deferral from prosecution and preys on the businesses that are generally white owned- that is racial, and the result of the willingness to downplay the importance of black on white crime- and in contrast to the upgrading of prosecution or persecution of white on black crime.

    Racism only exists because two groups refuse to allow it to end. One in the minorities that profit in money and power and ego by keeping it alive- the other are the people who think themselves righteous, and buy all the propaganda including the idea that color automatically indicates guilt and responsibility. That would be- the essence of genuine racism, wouldn't it? That's where "white supremacy" comes from. It's a racist act of the lowest, most offensive level. It's non anti racism, it's pro-racism.

    A person of reasonable intelligence, reasonable values, will automatically understand that a uniform and equally applied standard of justice is the only working one. When you shift the rules for racial exceptions, regardless of your intent or excuse- you screw the who thing up.
     
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    I was asking for someone to give me examples of how whites discriminate against blacks, but you are giving me examples of the opposite.

    As for your claim: "we refuse to prosecute black crime to compensate", I'm not buying it.
     
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    I'm not talking about the ability to spot bias in others. I'm talking about the ability to detect it in yourself. Bias isn't just affinity for a specific narrative. It's the inability to observe and record data. Bias influences your ability remember an event. Bias isn't just the information you collect. It's mostly the information you fail to collect.

    You asked before about the relevance of the 2 economists that disagree. They disagree because they can both be presented with the exact same input, but their pattern recognition machines can only observe and record some of it. The fine people hoax is a prime example of this. You can show two people the exact same video. Some will be absolutely certain that a racist called racists fine people. Some will be absolutely certain that racists were totally condemned. Neither group is able to come to both conclusions. They have to rank data and throw some away in order to make a decision.

    Intelligence is the conceit that your pattern recognition machine is better than most in all domains. This makes you MORE vulnerable to error. Intelligent people make more assumptions about the world based on prior experience than people with less experience. These assumptions are informed by past data, which precludes the ability to observe present data. Think about those two economists arguing over the depression. One lauds the new deal, the other condemns it. Both opinions are informed by datasets that support these conclusions. Both are intelligent. When asked an opinion on present conditions they will each focus on different inputs, informed by their focus on the inputs that influenced their conclusions about the past. They will each come away with a diametrically opposed conclusion about what to do in the future despite access to the exact same data. Neither will be able to falsify their own conclusion based on the data they didn't think was important to observe and record.

    So have people with different skin color. Your skin centric hierarchy is racist. It's even more racist to assume you know why these difficulties exist. You're picking a specific metric, skin color, and attempting to find patterns associated with that metric. Since your brain can only function with a pattern, you will find one, whether it's actual or not. People with black skin were enslaved. So were people with white skin. People with black skin faced hardship. So did people with white skin. The causes of these problems cannot be generalized along a single variable, but that's what the brain does. It must simplify in order to act in the world. If you were forced to observe everything along every variable you'd spend an infinite amount of time processing a single moment in time.

    They need to ditch the idea that they can read people's minds.

    You have no idea how absurd it's not. But like, that's just your opinion, man.
     
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    I'm not aware of any law left that actually discriminate against blacks. I'm aware of a great many things that benefit them, that give them prerential advantages at the expense of others. That's been going on for 50 years or more. Hasn't done a damn bit of good.

    The claims of racism today are all distant connections that are choice of interpretation- meaning, that if the membership on a city council is not proportionate to race population, that is proof of racism. Unless the proportion is heavy on the black side, then it's not.

    You are welcome to "not buy it", but that is only deceiving yourself.
     
  9. LangleyMan

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    It's evidence of both.
    There will be no public order without justice and no justice without public order. You appear to understand the importance of the latter, but not the former.
    Racism can exist if a dominant race wishes to extend it.
    Don't forget ... there is no public order without justice.
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your premise is recursive.

    What's the non racist way to determine whether or not a race is dominant?

    Can we form a falsifiable test to eliminate bias from the premise: "A race dominates through the practice of racism?"

    Or do we simply fill in the unknowns with racism and call it a day?
     
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    I think your last option is their choice.
    A lot of this really depends on how someone wants to define "supremacy"
    Numbers don't qualify.
    People holding position doesn't qualify.
    People intentionally using those positions to control other races could- but then, it applies to those using that power, not to the entire race.
    In every environment, there are greater or lesser levels of various kinds. It's as natural that there are more whites here as it is that there are more blacks in Africa.
    That of itself doesn't mean squat.
    Black supremacy in Africa? Isn't that evil? No? Why not?
     
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    I'm not the bad kind of racist. I'm defining some other race as unfairly competing against me.

    Said, Hitler.
     
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    Dude, stop telling me not to see white supremacism and racism!!!!

    For ****'s sake, are you for real? Who's ****ing side are you on? Theirs?
     
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    Well yeah, we know that now. Consider all the new breaches of racial discrimination laws via things like AA.

    But up until THEN, it worked.
     
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    Anyone who tells themselves the damnation of low expectations is good for those it impacts, is deep in ego-driven delusion. It's entirely malicious, no matter how you look at it.
     
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    Very well said!
     
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    Or Japanese supremacy, or Papuan supremacy, or Chinese supremacy, or Tongan supremacy, or Indian supremacy - or any other nation in which one racial group outnumbers the others.
     
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    And there is no justice when you are enabling criminal behaviour by failing to prosecute.
     
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    Afirmative action is restitution for the years of suffering caused by jim crow laws, not racism.
     
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    So much envy and covetousness, and so little faith and personal initiative.
     
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    So, you figure you can't spot the cinder in your own eye? :) :)
    No, you asked.
    They often disagree because some of them are political hacks shilling for vested interests. No economist worth spit supports the line that income tax rate cuts at the current rate levels pay for themselves.
    You missed the passion for truth that makes a huge difference in the performance of people. Some people have it, some don't.
    My "skin centric hierarchy?" You're living in a parallel universe. Egads.
    Clueless nonsense. Race is about more than skin color.
    An overly simplistic view of how people process information.
    You called me a racist. I should have flagged your post.
     
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    You're a spent force on racism.

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    There are way too many racists among your crowd.
     
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    It doesn't matter what the specifics of the 'action' are - if you prejudice or favour according to race, it's RACISM.
     

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