10 Lessons the US should learn from Iraq defeat

Victory never had to do with oil either way. That was not a stated goal, and was not the reason the American People allowed the war. The oil aspect was a liberal construct that they basically pulled out of thin air. It was something they manufactured and then attempted to project as "official".

It would have been nice, but we got what we wanted at a bare minimum. You could argue that it was more expensive than it needed to be, but we did get what we wanted.

The alternatives were worse. It really is as simple as that. There were no alternatives that would have removed Saddam and put a democracy in his place, other than full scale war.

 

Iraqi gratitude was not the reason we waged this war.

 

True. It was to find non-existing WMD.

 

well well. Look at that. The West just does not get or won't get the mentality of the arab. The US lost. well. yes they did in the view of the common arab. You can't be nice to these people. You can't even be reasonable. They view it as weakness. And our current presidebt is weak. extremely weak. Flacid I'd have to say. Impotent. tail between his legs, bowing sycophant. typical arab himself.

 

What democracy?

 

It is not a matter of being reasonable. They don't like being occupied. We wouldn't like that either.

Let them run their country the way they want. It is none of our business.

 

The lesson is to kill them all. The Mongol way of war.

 

I would say Bush's re-election proves you are wrong.

If grandma had balls, she'd be grandpa.

If's are irrelevant. The reason we do not have a mandatory draft is because we do not NEED one. We have enough volunteers already. That is another indication that Americans, by nature, are interventionist. If they were not we would have far less volunteers and/or a mandatory draft.

No one is forcing anyone to join the military. Every single one of those people volunteered.

Just as it is much easier to complain about inaction in hindsight. The first time a city was nuked it would have been one of you people screaming "Why didn't someone do something".

The naive idiocy of the left is dangerous. There are severe consequences to inaction.

I dont think it was just that. I think it was also fear. Frankly, we got lucky. If that had been a nuke instead of a plane it would have been a lot worse. We are lucky that the people who planned it were too impatient to wait for access to real weapons that could have done serious damage.

How did you determine that Americans are not paranoid by nature anyway? Why do you imply that Bush "made" us that way? You think we did not already have an aggressive foreign policy in the past? Were you not here for Vietnam or Korea?

 

That may work but it is also unrealistic.

 

Start with Micheal Bay and i support you.

 

Once we remove Saddam, we were able to confirm that the WMDs did not exist. We were correct not to take his word for it.

Maybe the next despot will learn from Saddam's mistake and cooperate the first time.

 

Removing the remaining despots from the world is the first step in that process.

 

Then you have my support, when will you overthrow the tyranny of Obama?

 

Probably this election. Though I would not describe it as tyranny. Naivete maybe, but not tyranny. You need power to be tyrannical.

 

Don't be afraid. Start a home, first.

Or was all the previous talk, only talk?

 

The 'evidence' we had that there was WMD in Iraq was pretty shaky. A lot of people wanted the war so WMD was simply used as an excuse.

Other totalitarian countries don't care about Iraq. They know that we will not start a new large war any time soon. Just look at Iran.

 

In 1940 FDR condemned the carpet bombing of cities. In 1945 he permitted the fire bombing of Tokyo which was even worse. On one night in March 1945 more than 100,000 Japanese were incinerated by his authority as commander in chief.

Each of us is at once an angel and a demon. We are capable of anything.

 

You think Romney wil be any better?

we are stuck with a lousy president no matter who wins.

 

I'm happy to do that as long as they LEAVE US ALONE. ungrateful bastards.

 

We both know that we aren't going to kill tens of millions of civilians.

 

In self defense, yes. Any act is justifiable in self defense.

 

The people behind 911 came largely from Saudi Arabia (our ally). They camped in Afghanistan. Iraq had nothing to do with that.

If we don't attack them they have no motive to attack us.

 

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It is irrelevant who else might have thought it was shaky. All that mattered is what WE thought. It is not fair, nor should it be. Saddam was never our equal. He had no rights.

He constantly interfered with our attempts to verify his claims. Had he not done so, he would probably still be alive and in power. Maybe the next despot will learn from his mistakes.

The lesson is clear: If we feel threatened and are in doubt, we are likely to go to war just to be sure. So the way to avoid war is to do your best to remove our doubt.

Yes, that has been my point. I just explained why as well.

Yeah, that is exactly what Saddam thought. He believed we would not invade because we were tied up in Afghanistan. How did that work out?

If we really feel threatened, yes, we will bankrupt ourselves if necessary. Even now. And other nations know it. Well...the smart ones do.

(Why do you think China has not invaded Taiwan yet?)

 

Perspective is relative. Change the perspective and what seems monstrous becomes possible.

It is likely that New York City will ultimately be vaporized clandestinely if America doesn't withdraw from the eastern hemisphere. What will be the reaction?

 

Yes, that worked out great in WW2. Because we attacked Germany first, right?