10 Lessons the US should learn from Iraq defeat

WTF? I'll repeat that. WTF?

You think there was a risk of Iraq invading the USA?

Go back to school (if you have already left).

 

Or more likely as the president who was handed an unwinable war from a president who had spent seven years trying to beat some bearded fanatics.

I understand you want to blame Obama for everything but let us try to be a bit more productive, okay?

 

Why did Obama escalate the war in Afghanistan in March of 2009 and again in December of 2009?

 

So when does the bombing of Venezuela start ?

 

I worship the moon. Haha.

 

Invading people and killing civilians en-mass is not "being nice" and it is not "being reasonable".

Anyone who holds that opionion is an idiot.

 

Yeah, forcing the rest of the entire world to condemn you and your actions would work - errrrrrr somehow.

 

People don't screw around with such people. For example, people in the West are afraid of caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed because of what his admirers might do. Provocation becomes too dangerous. Call this the Islamic Model of Deterrence.

 

The Chinese Communist Party has demonstrated to the world the limits of foreign opinion.

 

The USA was fooled into a war, in which is has spent an unbelievable amount of money, lost international political credibility and friends. I'd say it's mission accomplished by ObL.

It took 11 men to do this. ELEVEN. Other Jihadist's believe these 11 are in heaven with 40 virgins each. I'd say that you've accomplished nothing in terms of frightening people from attacking you.

 

Alberto, the origin was a comment about killing all Iraqi's to deal with the problem of a supposid threat to the US, by Saddam and his "WMD". Someone semi-agreed. I simply pointed out that it would not work as the entire world, the entire world, would "un-friend" the USA. You would stand alone for a very long time. This would hurt the US beyond and trade centre's falling down. All your businesses which run abroad would pretty much close. Your trade partners would disappear. Your hegemony would end immediately.

It would have been a move of monumental stupidity, and anyone suggesting it as a viable option, simply exposes themself as a fool.

 

What should America have done after 9/11?

Btw, it's 72 virgins, not 40.

 

Not invaded Afganistan (which was a chest puffing "mess with us and this is what happens" IMO).

Not invaded Iraq.

ObL should have been found by intelligence and killed by Special Ops (which was ultimately the case).

American's need to understand and accept that the world is a dangerous place, especially if you have gobal hegemony.

You will be attacked again, you cannot prevent this.

My country will be attacked again, I cannot prevent this.

It's a matter of reducing the likelihood, but the likelihood simply cannot be reduced to zero. No amount of killing people, no amount of bombs can deal with this.

 

In essence your plan is to absorb the attacks and mourn the dead without response. Do you think that is politically possible?

 

I stated:

ObL should have been found by intelligence and killed by Special Ops (which was ultimately the case).

Invading Iraq simply empowered Iran in the region and expanded the base where AQ can operate - kinda counter productive if you ask me.

Afganistan? The official line was to remove the terrorist camps, fair enough. But Afganistan is huge and an effective central government, which can police terror camps in the coming decades is impossible; a dream.

So what did you actually accomplish, in terms of the security of the US by these two actions? I'd say you spend a whole bunch of cash, at a time you needed not to. I'd say the terrorist training camps will set up shop whereever they like, anywhere in the world. I'd say Iran has one less enemy. I'd say AQ has one less enemy.

This seems like a whole world of fail to me.

 

I agree with you about Iraq. But world opinion came around toward China after the events of June 1989.

After 9/11 the America people demanded blood. Action of some sort had to be taken or the political establishment would have been swept away.

 

The Iraq War II caused estrangement and hostility for America all over the world except at really high class resorts. I don't see this passing in the lifetimes of any of those now alive. For all intents the hostility is permanent.

It even caused a rupture between your people and mine as well as among Americans. American power was broken. All of the Anglosphere has become estranged and alienated. It can no longer work effectively.

 

Then kill them all and let God sort them out. I'm sick of (*)(*)(*)(*)ing with them. They can hate us all they want, but let them fear. Fear is BETTER than love, it lasts longer.

American Power wasn't broken. I don't see world leaders calling Brussels for advice when some neighbor next door starts to talk rhetoric about changing borders by force.

They call Washington.

 

While you worship the moon, I eat the mooncakes.

Please refer to the article headlined "Mooncake" at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mooncake

 

It's good to see you again uncle. It's been a long time. I too worship:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lotus_seed_paste.jpg

Important things have been happening in China. The whole world wonders.

This thread is about the Hak Kwai's defeat in Afghanistan. We would listen respectfully to your words should you be willing to share them with us. Thank you.

 

I like to share with you my joke on Hak Kwai scrubbing his body in the bathroom. Please read http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/239950-obama-caught-lying-oil-field-9.html

 

I am 100% opposed to the invasion of sovereign states, which results in the killing and murder of 1000's, just because the American public demanded blood. We are not living in the days of the Roman empire - you do not get to chose whether people live of die, just because you have suffered a tragedy.

It's barbaric.

 

On another forum, I warned a poster that if they continued, they should get used to being very much disliked as a people, all around the world. The US poster concerned didn't mind.

 

'Working democracy' my arse! That farcical, tottering excuse for a 'democracy' is hopelessly inept, riddled with corruption and factional in-fighting and utterly incompetent. If you call installing a puppet a success then I'd love to know what you'd call a failure. Meanwhile the bombings and murders continue unabated...yep, what a huge success Iraq has become.

 

I guess thousands of allied troops returning home in coffins, 1 million Iraqi's dead, 4 million displaced, an increase in infant mortality, a decrease in life-expectancy, wrecked infrastructure, increase in water borne diseases and no democracy is a success?