14 million Russians don't have enough money, even for food.

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  1. One Mind

    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes and we are waging economic war on Russia which is war. Too bad Russia will not bend over and allow our elites to plunder their resources, for they would rather go hungry than to get sodomized by the greed of our elites. Better to be a dead lion than a live **** eating dog. My nation is ruled over by satanic forces. We have a habit of trying to starve other nations out unless they keep their arses greased up for our sodomizers.

    The US has not been a force for good for a long time. And any nation that places the interests of a small group of elites over goodness, integrity and a sense of right and wrong will eventually reap what was sowed. The universe tilts toward justice, which means we got it coming.
     
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    Where in Russia are you posting from today?
     
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    no, of course, i do not, unless very hard pressed to, because i would rather pay my doctor than not; i take advantage of healthcare for free only when it suits the situation and to offer money would have been irrelevant.
    it is you twisting my words. i speak plain and clear.
    the reason is obvious: you just tried to portray the situation as if it wasn't me who confessed to evading taxes but it was you who caught me doing so, whereas my entire point was that - although i shirk my duties - i nonetheless don't abuse my rights and thus don't use every opportunity they provide; and i stated this from the very start!
    you obviously have severe reading problems and are trying to shift the blame on others.
     
  4. Mircea

    Mircea Well-Known Member

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    Same thing happened Romania and many other East Bloc States.
     
  5. vis

    vis Well-Known Member

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    No, most of the towns in Russia are in the state like this one. And the cities like Suzdal - is an exception.
    The local governments simply do not have money to restore all those buildings.
     
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  6. Ninian

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    Let's see... Small town, ~40.000 residents... Long history, formed from medieval cities Romanov and Borisoglebsk.. ...in first quarter of XIX century. In 1918 renamed in Tutaev... Traditional textile production... ...and since 1973 Tutaev Motor factory - 1603 employees with average wage of 26.000 rubles. Produces diesel engines for agrarian combines and for few models of KAMAZ trucks.

    Population tendency shows it raising and decreasing several times in past century, with currently it being relatively stable - slowly decreasing, loosing ~200 people yearly for past thirdteen years.

    Town bears lots of historical buildings - churches and houses alike, which - along with it's positioning on shore of Volga - explains it's inclusion in Golden Ring.

    But town itself... It depends on several factories around it for jobs - Tutaev Motor vactory being biggest of them.
    Also there exists Tutaev Experiment-Repair factory... Apparently doing the repair and testing of vechicles. Belongs to OAO "Avtodizel", located in Yaroslavl, that... Supposedly doing well. In 2003-2006 apparently had problems with paying taxes, but since 2009-2010 paid all fines. In 2010 bettered conditions of employees on production line after complaint of one of them to president prior to his visit on facility.
    Textile factory "Tulma" - produces linen cloth. Again, seems to be relatively fine facility, with no recent problems in last decade.
    Some sheep farms nearby - but I doubt citizens of town are working there, or at least work there in significant numbers.
    In winter there functions skiing club "Nikolin mountain" - though seems it's not a very significant enterprise.
    A small bell factory "Italmas"...
    And standart - few food factories - sausages, cheese, stuff like that.


    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Тутаев


    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Тутаевский_моторный_завод

    http://pravosudie.biz/1380144
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ярославский_моторный_завод

    http://lnokombinat-tulma.narod.ru/about.html

    http://www.italmas.com/price.php/


    So, what we have there - a small town, away from big cities and big roads, with some potential for being tourist attraction - but not developed tourist industry at all, with a few factories sustaining locals, either processing production of surrounding farms, or working for various elements of heavy industry in Yaroslavl. Not surprising it does not flourishes - there is not much for people in it, and albeit in the past it had significance and even prosperity - ever since Volga lost it's significance as one of main trade routes in country - Tutaev looses it's population.


    From what I found on Internet - it appears that part of city consists of soviet apartment blocks, mainly on idustry-containing Borisoglebsk side, while part consists of older buildings - mainly private 1-2 stories high wooden and brick houses, that occupy shore of Borisoglebsk side and whole Romanov side.
     
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    On the map you can see the Borisoglebsk side and Romanov side - and difference between them. By arrovs are pointed out the industrial section of town, and the section of apartment blocks. The rest - is basically old, village-style houses, that are likely not in the best possible condition.

    I can not confirm that, but I can assume that people withing Tutaev itself are likely moving from houses to apartment blocks, and if continue to posess houses - probably use them as summer houses, rather than permanent homes.



    So! - as a concluson, I got to say - I do not see anything extraordinary. A small town, that with time lost it's attractiveness for population, is loosing residents. Old buildings are not well maintained, both by local administration and their own residents, so it does looks bad - especially in spring and late autumn.

    It has some interesting potential - with that bell factory, and historical value - it may become a tourist attraction, if more of the "classical" and "folklore" production will emerge there. But that - depends on people of Totaev themselves. At very least it is no goes through any sudden and drastic changes, it literally just slowly looses population. Pretty much normal situation - people always were attracted more to big cities.
     
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    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    No, I've read too many postings here about how us Americans can't afford food and health insurance, which is true, it was time for some alternative perspective, looks like the poor Muscovites are just as bad if not worse.
     
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    Thank you for the nice review. For me, athough, it is not normal that a city which is a part of Golden Ring is in such a bad shape.
     
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    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    Lol, no, Petro not a prob, but wishful thinking on your part.
     
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    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    Wishful thinking on moskals part,:laughing:.
     
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    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    "We" have a habit of starving other nation? That's pretty rich, considering the Russians basically wrote the book on "starving" others,LOL.
     
  14. vis

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    This is reality :grin:
     
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    Whose reality...yours?
     
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    No, Ukranian. Just accept it. By the way, are you Ukranian?
     
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    Well, to be precise - Tutaev is not a part of Goldern Ring. It is one of places status of which is still in debates. The places that included in basic Golden Ring are Sergiev Posad, Pereyaslavl-Zalesskiy, Grand Rostov, Yaroslavl, Kostroma, Ivanovo, Suzdal and Vladimir. All rest - including Moscow - are in debates.

    So, Tutaev is not exactly included in majority of Golden Ring tours. It has some landmarks, but... As always in tourism - majority of people goes for big clusters of landmarks, and for places with good PR. Small, obscure towns rarely attract big crowds, unless they house something really notable - like Swallow's Nest manor in Crimea. And it did not bringed much prosperity to Gaspra. People come to see manor - and then leave. If not for few sanatoriums and location on shore of Black sea - Gaspra would've been as obscure as Tutaev is.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Золотое_кольцо_России#.D0.AF.D1.80.D0.BE.D1.81.D0.BB.D0.B0.D0.B2.D0.BB.D1.8C
     
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    Accept what? No ukranian here.
     
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    Accept that Pornoshenko soon will be kicked out from political Olymp. Strange, that you are not Ukranian, as it is typical only for Ukranians to call Russians moskals.
     
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    My point was in fact that if such a town that has all the grounds to be a special one is in a very bad shape, the other towns that are even not considered to have any historical value are even in worse position. And there are many towns like this one in Russia somewhere in the periphery.
     
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    Well, it exactly does NOT has all the grounds. It houses few historical structures - that's it. It is remote, obscure, had no notable historical events around it - it just has old buildings in it.

    That is something - but not much. And without tourism - it's just a small remote town with few factories in vicinity.


    Don't get me wrong - it is unpleasant sight - but if people want to leave - they have right to do so. They are not oblieged to live in old houses in small town if they want to live an active life in big and loud megapolis or something like that. Pity for old houses, but situation is pretty natural.
     
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    objectively may be..genuis spelling is spelling that city got since foundation,
    if no the act(the law or bylaw) of the renaming (as well as Dnieper-city or KirovogrAd for example.the act was )
     
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    Well of course the average Russian is less well off than the ave American they ... almost everyone knows this and I have never heard anyone dispute this.

    This is not something new for Russia. That the US is sinking to the same level is.
     
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    "Sinking to same level"? Hardly, even with our problems, were still decades ahead of the Muscovites:)).
     
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    But little putie boy has plenty of money to fight wars in ukraine, syria and elsewhere.

    Its just like iran; that scum regime of murderers has lots of money for wars across the mideast while large parts of the country starve. Two of the regimes that once they are destroyed will make the world a far better place.
     
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