2016 Trump Tower Meeting Looks Increasingly Like a Setup by Russian and Clinton Operatives

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  1. AmericanNationalist

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    Of course it was. The whole thing looked suspect when we learned about Natalie. Her connections to Fusion GPS just sealed it. This is called 'entrapment' and you guessed it: It's ILLEGAL. They simply can't help themselves when it comes to doing the illegal or dubious. And these folks, are the ones the Left hopes to get to Trump. They're as bad as any other criminal at this point.

    They just wore the mask of authority while committing crimes.
     
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    Entrapment: the action of tricking someone into committing a crime in order to secure their prosecution.

    Are you saying the meeting was a crime? Who’s being prosecuted for it??
    You have no idea what you’re talking about
     
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    The meeting's 'legality' or non legality doesn't matter when it comes to entrapment. As a matter of fact in entrapment cases, you're supposed to make the target believe that it's safe to engage in whatever activity that's been agreed upon. Entrapment largely deals with the intent of those who set up the meeting(in this case, Natalie and Goldstone.)

    Think, there's a reason Robert Mueller hasn't touched Trump Tower. Because that'd be ONE ugly cross examination for the government. If I can get Natalie and Goldstone to testify in effect, that the government offered them in anyway to set up that meeting, entrapment has been proven.

    Add to that that the Trump Campaign did not openly solicit Natalie nor took any of the goods, there's no prosecutor worth his salt that'd follow this. It'd weaken my case against Trump, if not outright destroy it.
     
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    You can’t be entrapped legally by private citizens. Nor can you entrap someone into doing something that is legal.
    And how do you know they didn’t take anything from Natalia? Because they said so??? They also said the meeting was just about adoption lol
    And all this ignores...she WAS working for the Russian govt and they DID want to help trump!
    How the hell coild fusion have known that? Unless fusion are also Russian agents lol
     
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    None of the Trump Alt Right defenses excuse that the OP does not make sense and does not reflect that Putin himself has said he was working for a Trump victory.
     
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    Though I found this to be true at the time....I now deeply regret not voting against Trump.
     
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    Because she was Fusion GPS's client as well(read the OP first page for god sakes), and because of the open interference by Loretta Lynch at the time, strongly implies it. And yes, because not only did Trump JR testify to that, Natalie also testified to that as well.(Everyone in the meeting for that matter.) This has been reduced to nothing more than media talk about nothing, the Senate Intel Committee put it to rest and is no longer interested.

    And given the statements made to Simpson it's pretty clear that Fusion GPS is compromised by the Russians. Yeah, you're just noticing what a tainted case the government has. Sooner or later, Rosenstein's going to wash his hands of this, as best he can.(He already leaned in that direction when he gave it to the DOJ-NSD.)

    I hope no one lets him wash his hands that he did this to the DOJ, under his watch. He made the DOJ into the Department of Rumors. Its his responsibility, the tragedy falls on his shoulders.
     
  8. AmericanNationalist

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    He didn't say he was 'working' for anything. He's consistently said he's hoped for Trump's victory over HRC. If you're going to cite something, it needs to be cited correctly.
     
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    So fusion knew Russia wanted to meddle to help trump, and conspired with obama to hook trump up with Russian agents so they could all work to beat Hillary. And then obama changed his mind and wanted to take trump down??

    You realize how idiotic that sounds?
     
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    I don't think the excuses have to make sense even to them, Jake. Ulitimately, this probably comes down to defending Trump accepting aid from Russia as "he didn't really do anything wrong, or anything Hillary didn't do."
     
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    Or perhaps Hillary/Fusion/Obama/EasterRabbit knew Putin wanted to meddle and help Trump win, and Trump knew Putin wanted to help him, so Hillary/Fusion/Obama/EasterRabbit got the Russian players to pose as Russians and get Trump to meet illegally so they'd have something on Trump ... on the slim chance he won.
     
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    Did you cite it? Thank you for making my point, though. Russians would not be working for Clinton's election if that was not Putin's intent.

    Hi, Bendog: good to see you here. That is a far-fetched scenario you offer there. Clinton and Obama are not smart enough for a honey trap operation like that, if one believes the general evaluation of their opposition's opinions about them.
     
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    It is good to know that Mueller is closing the net on the Trump Tower meeting.
     
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    Not to beat Hillary, but to use against Donald Trump. Our government basically engaged in the same kind of blackmail behavior as the Russians themselves. That's what Trump tower is about, that's what Halper is about. I'm glad you're recognizing this, even if in a twisted way. Neither the Russians nor the US Government believed Trump would win, but it was in the interest of the government to collect this 'intel' to use later in whatever matter deemed necessary.

    One has to open ones eyes to the corruption that occurred from early summer 2016, up until now to get a full understanding of what took place.
     
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    Of course, Natasha was working for Hillary. That makes perfect sense. LOL

    But as was already pointed out, only the government can entrap. And I realize your next right turn will be to tie the FBI to it.
     
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    Again..:this all ignores that Russia actually did meddle to help trump! Just like Natalia said!
    I guess that’s just a wild coincidence lmao
     
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    I believe I know of a special prosecutor who is doing just that....
     
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    Omarosa just said she told mueller that trump knew about the hacked emails before the public!
     
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    It doesn't ignore it at all. It's a conflation. Unless you can prove that hackings or emails were talked about during the meeting. The meeting is of the same things as Halper and Downer attempts. Exact same kind of approach was used. George Paapdoulous talked a big game but even he had no evidence of anything within his possession. As he testified to the FBI and even as his mysterious wife has testified.

    Your government during the 2016 elections spied on an opposing political campaign, at first for intel and then later on did it become an 'investigation'(IE: A tool to get rid of him.)

    Your government is copying Soviet-tactics, and you're okay with it. Because it's Trump after all.
     
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    And she's discredited herself as a witness with her actions(she wasn't even a member of the Trump campaign proper!). Is this where we're going to go? Where anyone can claim any loose thing(Remember Fire and Fury? You don't want to remember that embarassment.) Then both the House intel committee and Robert Mueller fell for that and brought in Bannon.

    I'm sitting here like "They can't be that stupid". An investigation, properly done, limits the suspects to people within the inner circle, so as to not chase every loose tail.
     
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    If your only defense of Trump is that Hillary did it too, then there is something seriously messed up with your moral values.
     
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    Again, Natalia said Russian govt wants to help trump
    Then the Russian govt helped trump
    How did Hillary know?
    How did Natalia know?? Why would Hillary want trump to know? This makes zero sense lol
     
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    RW logic: obama and Hillary knew Russia was going to help trump, and their big plan was to help Russia get in contact with trump

    How much acid do I have to take for this to make sense??!
     
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    The investigation goes where the investigation goes... you don't "limit the suspects" to a certain group, although it certainly makes it easier if they are contained there....

    And don't use the phrase "loose tail" near Trump.... you'll totally lose his attention....
     
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    Even worse, the defense of trump is that it’s actually Hillary’s fault lol
     
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