Wrong AGAIN! https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...sk-2020-isn-t-losing-young-people-ncna1018216 My opinion is based upon the FACTS supported by the actual VOTES in 2018. Those TRENDS are documented FACTS and no amount of handwaving or denialism is going to make them d9isappear. So yes, the election results will REFLECT these TRENDS because your wannabe Fascist-in-Chief is INCAPABLE of reversing these TRENDS.
Given the nature of polling, maybe they are overpolling the segment of the population most affected by it--the people sitting at home looking for work. IDK. There is no way Biden is really 14 points or whatever ahead when the number of people who say they will vote for him is still floating between the upper 40's and low 50's.
And look at Biden’s rallies and voters enthusiasm. During Obama elections you could see real hype and enthusiasm among voters. None of that is present now. By censoring and shaming other views leftists created an illusionary world where everyone agrees with them, but somehow a whole lot of unexpected and hiding “racists” show up at polls on election days and mess up their realities.
I am not championing either of them. I don't like either of them TBH, but there is something way off about polling this election year and it seems to be getting more pronounced. Not sure what it is. They of course have manufactured revisionist history regarding how wrong they were in 2016, pretending that every poll that was wrong were really right because of the "margin of error" as if just about every poll didn't unnaturally "error" in the same direction.
There were a few prominent stories that came out in the last 6 months about journalists being fired from their jobs for writing about views not aligning with the views of other journalists. That’s pretty much censorship. If journalists cannot write truth about the other side of politics, then how can one expect them to accurately perform polling and report on the results in an unbiased manner? I really find it amusing that many leftists cannot connect the dots - they censor speech by shaming others, therefore they start losing their ability to effectively evaluate the mood of the electorate. They now run around believing in a landslide victory that is inevitable (according to their view). I already voted. For Trump. Mostly as an F you to the political left for getting way off the rails. I am not in love with Trump, but I cannot sit there and watch elected officials who represent a real political party almost openly advocating political violence.
Not going to be me that sheds any tears at your wannabe Fascist-in-Chief being shown the door by We the People.
Take a look at this post if you want to know WHY that is not a weakness for Biden. http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/election-predictions.579811/#post-1072126096
I have started a thread on Finding Common Ground addressing the issue of Real versus Fake News. I would be interested in your ideas as to how to deal with this problem. http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/finding-common-ground-real-versus-fake-news.579820/ Please read the Disclaimer link too.
I don't dispute that there is too much group think going on and I completely get a spite vote, I simply cannot find a more desirable turd floating in the septic tank as of yet.
I was thinking about you talking about women and seniors who Trump supposedly lost. The whole concept is the flaw that the left can’t shake off since before the times of slavery - you group people by segments that have little in common. For example - I’m a Ukrainian born white male. Just because I carry these labels doesn’t mean I will give any favorable treatment to other males, whites, or Ukrainians. I’m pretty sure that absolute majority of women, seniors, blacks, Latinos and others have exact same attitudes. I don’t need a VP to be a Ukrainian white male to vote for him/her. But there are real segments of population that do have real things in common, like service industry. How many bartenders and servers from night clubs and restaurants are voting for D ticket this time around? I used to work in that industry and I can tell you from personal stories that almost everyone is blaming the left for being out of jobs - they blame democrat governors and mayors and quarantine and they blame leftists for riots that destroyed or closed their places of work. None of them will talk with strangers about their political preferences because they depend on tips and are afraid to upset their customers, but when you get in a room with these people and talk with them in person you’ll discover a ton of brand new, fresh out of the box, Trumpers. The censorship that is imposed on us by social media, mass media, and general intolerance to dissenting views resulted in a whole lot of people who are simply afraid to talk with strangers about their political views. That’s why it just doesn’t feel like current polls are accurate - when I compare a guy on TV telling me about a landslide that Biden is about to have and compare this info with conversations with real people, I sense a major discrepancy. And I live in a Chicago suburb, I’m not even out in the country in the land of hillbillies. I’m sorry, but reports of Biden’s lead of 14 percent is just not realistic. You can quote NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, and others till cows come home, but it doesn’t change realities on the ground - it doesn’t feel like Biden is leading. That’s why I think D’s are setting themselves up for another nasty crash, like in 2016. Censorship always backfires because you lose touch with electorate, and that’s why it’s the number 1 enemy of any democracy. I’ve even seen screenshots of Twitter blocking articles posted by a congressional website! How can you expect accurate polls when we have millions of people and almost everyone who works in mass media living in denial?
All I want is to get back to normal life - I want the quarantine and masks to be gone, I want the red-hot job market back, I want honest mass media, I want to stop race baiting, and I want to enforce existing laws on the books on immigration. Is that too much to ask? This whole year was ruined squarely by the D’s with their non-stop BS grasping for straws. My vote for Trump symbolizes a simple desire to return to normal.
You really have no idea what a fascist is do you? Can you attempt to use your own words then show specific actions Trump is take to be considered one. I’ll get you started. IF Trump shut the country down in February before even a handful of people died, and threatened fines and prison to anyone stepping foot outside their homes without a mask, THAT would be Fascism. Yet that is exactly what many of Left wanted to happen. Weird.
Your anecdotes are just that, anecdotes. You bragged about basing your position on MATH and DATA and TRENDS and then when I provided you with the math, data and trends you scuttle away from them as if they are toxic. Pick a lane, any lane, but then STAY in YOUR lane if you want a debate. I rarely make posts WITHOUT having the ability to SUBSTANTIATE what I write. When I am speculating of just voicing my opinion I will indicate that is what I am doing. You have just established that YOUR opinion is derived from anecdotes rather than factual data. I prefer to stick with VERIFIABLE facts instead. Until proven otherwise the facts that I am using are VERIFIED via CREDIBLE sources. For example I do not treat all pollsters as being of equal credibility. There is a sound reason why 538 RANKS them based upon their accuracy and veracity in the past. OTOH you are flailing around in the swamp of the IMAGINARY "shy voters" for your wannabe Fascist-in-Chief. They MIGHT exist but to pretend that they exist in such overwhelming numbers as to SIGNIFICANTLY overcome the Biden numbers strain credulity. What happened in 2016 was a direct result of minority voter SUPPRESSION in 3 states. ALL of that GOP suppression has been addressed in those states and everywhere else that it has occurred. The hard DATA from 2018 proved that Dem TURNOUT was at RECORD levels which SUPPORTED the polling DATA. The DESPERATION behind the attempt to sabotage the USPS and denigrate mail-in voting is just another form of voter suppression. WHY does the GOP go to such EXTREMES in order to SUPPRESS voting? The DATA demonstrates that LOW voter turnout HURTS the Dems and helps the GOP. The DATA also demonstrates that when WOMEN turn out in GREATER numbers than MEN then the Dems do better than the GOP. The DATA establishes that SENIORS were reliable GOP voters up to 2016. That ADVANTAGE has NOW disappeared. So feel free to ABANDON the Math, Data and Trends and BELIEVE that your ANECDOTES are going to MAGICALLY produce results that are in favor of your wannabe Fascist-in-Chief who ONLY ended up in the Oval office BECAUSE of voter SUPPRESSION that has been effectively NULLIFIED. I will stick with REALITY instead.
You have already been provided with the 14 Traits of Fascism exhibited by your wannabe Fascist-in-Chief but here is the link for the UMPTEENTH time. https://www.frontpagelive.com/2020/07/22/trump-fascism/ Get back to me AFTER you have read ALL of it, m'kay?
Opinion piece filled with drivel and blatant bias, not to mention a compete distortion of facts and reality. Most of our presidents are fascist by that lunatics standards. USE YOUR WORDS!!! I hope you’re paid well for posting here. If you’re even a YOU and not a few people taking turns. It’s quite obvious.
These “imaginary” shy voters surely effed up Hillary’s illusion about her presidency. I still remember 90% chance of her winning... And, for the record, that time around I really did vote for her, probably because I believed at the time in Russian collusion. Also, I don’t deny that my opinion about the realities on the ground are based on anecdotal evidence.
That you CHOSE to NOT address the FACTS provided you have effectively OPTED OUT of the discussion. Have a nice day!
Those were NOT "shy voters" at all. They were primarily low education white voters who were NOT categorized and polled appropriately. That has now been remediated and the DATA indicates that there will 3.5 million FEWER voters in that category in 2020 than there were in 2016. Given the 2:1 ratio of R vs D that equates to a net LOSS of 1.2 million voters for your wannabe Fascist-in-Chief. Since that is the ONLY demographic that still shows a majority of support for him LOSING 1.2 million votes when his COMBINED winning margin was a paltry 77k is going to be IMPOSSIBLE to replace. The COMBINATION of voter suppression and low education white voters is NOT going to happen in 2020. What else is keeping those clinging to anecdotes warm at night?
Exactly my point. The polls don’t provide accurate representation of the views of the US population. That’s why it doesn’t feel like they are accurate - you go talk with average people and you will see that their views diverge from what we are being told. I don’t have real data behind it, but it sure feels that way. I guess, we’ll find out in 2 weeks...
Well the quarantines and masks won't be gone anytime soon. Nothing you do at the polls will change that. I actually like the London Stage 2 lockdown rules and wish we had maintained something a bit more like them a lot longer.
The problem that I and many others see is in the fact that there are bartenders and servers who are told by D politicians that they cannot work due to the risk of infection, yet for the entire duration of the summer we had D politicians coming on national TV saying it’s OK to protest, riot and loot. So, what does a bartender or a sever who is out of work see? They see that it’s not OK to legally earn a living wage, but it’s OK to go and riot, steal and assault. This sh!t came directly from the D party, as Trump called on states repeatedly asking them to ease the restrictions. Those who are smart are able to connect the dots. You can be a lifelong leftist (like those bartenders and servers), but being broke tends to force people to face some realities and engage in problem solving activities when they try to figure out how to pay their bills.
Young families in particular have little to no savings, often no transportation, and infants to care for whether the couple can afford even basics like diapers. Job-hunting as we knew it back about 1980 or so has changed so dramatically that newspaper ads are almost the last place they look and the first place serious employers go to find workers. Loop-de-loop to 2020 and it's mostly on-line, word-of-mouth (also via on-line).
