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the UN security council, the international court of justice, the israeliu supreme court, all say the west bank is under israeli occupation.

but go ahead, keep denying the facts in your face.

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now you're being dishonest, as that's not what Article 80 says

what is REALLY says is: "nothing in this Chapter shall be construed in or of itself to alter in any manner the rights"

UNSC resolutions and ICJ judgements, and Israeli supreme court judgements, are not relevent to this.

 

So there are countries except Israel that checking on people that enter it's territory. Good, then dont make it bad when a country is doing so.

But the West Bank is a part from the territory of the Land of Israel (or as you call it "Palestine").

The settlements are legal since the international law protects the rights that were granted to the Jews over the Land of Israel, which among those rights you can find settling.

Right, everytime that the Arabs gave evidences for their claims about some settlements, they won, but since such of process doesnt happen, and the Arabs do not go to court with evidences, then I dont see the problem.

So there is no Arab politicans in the Knesset that represent the Arabs in the Knesset?
And in the West Bank there is no political body that represent the Arabs of the West Bank?

The rights that were granted in the document of the Mandate are still valid.

International law experts also agree with me.

No one. The Arabs in the West Bank work in the buildings of the settlements.

 

It's aint Israel and it's occupied.
It is so under international law explained by the UN, the UNSG and the ICJ.

Israel lost the case at the ICJ.
The end.

 

I already replied to such claim. Please read: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=433636&page=35&p=1065615686#post1065615686

I gave the exact Article from the UN website. It is what it say. It's clear English.

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I already replied to such claim. Please read: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=433636&page=35&p=1065615686#post1065615686

 

you dishonestly changed the exact text of Article 80 from:

"nothing in this Chapter shall be construed in or of itself to alter in any manner the rights"

to

"nothing shell be constructed in or of itself to alter in any manner the rights"


that was very dishonest, stuntman

 

And Article 80 is part of such Article that the UN Charter states that "nothing in this Chapter shell be constructed in or of itself to alter in any manner the rights", thus it also including what been said in Article 80 that cant be constructed in or of itseld to alter in any manner the rights.

 

That is clearly not so.

They are illegal. Israel lost the case

They went to the ICJ where Israel lost the case

But the judges disagreed with your experts in a court of law and agreed with other experts.

The Jews are pumping out water under the feet of the Arabs while also ethnic cleansing them...
it's obvious that this is harming them. Absolutely nuts to claim its not the case.

 

no, you edited the text of Article 80 to say:

"nothing shell be constructed in or of itself to alter in any manner the rights"

when it really says:

"nothing in this Chapter shall be construed in or of itself to alter in any manner the rights"




such dishonest actions would get you laughed out of court, or charged with purgery

 

And Article 80 is part of such Article that the UN Charter states that "nothing in this Chapter shell be constructed in or of itself to alter in any manner the rights", thus it also including what been said in Article 80 that cant be constructed in or of itseld to alter in any manner the rights.

 

Still not true. The WB, east Jerusalem and the Golan aint part of Israel.
It's just rather dumb to say it is.

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And the UN Charter protects the rights of the indigenous population.
It came with an added message that: THIS MUST BE CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD.

That was directed towards rather ignorant people as yourself, so it seems.

 

ah, so now you are posting the ACTUAL text of Article 80. I congratulate you.

now, are UN security council resolutions, international court of justice decisions, and israeli supreme court rulings, part of Chapter 7 of the UN Charter?

no, they are not.

game over, you lose.

 

So the West Bank is not part of "Palestine"?

Not according to International law, as I showed you.

So there is no Elon Moreh ruling?

You can continue to say that, but it is not changing what Aricle 80 states.

In 2014, Mekorot transfered to the West Bank 57 million cubic meters of water from the mountain aquifer, the main part of which is in Israeli territory.
In the water agreement that was part of Oslo Accords, and which was signed in 1995, was 30 million cubic meters of water:

In the last five years Israel trasfered to the West Bank over 52 million cubic water which was annualy supplied, which is 2 twice then what was agreed upon:

Source: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4665260,00.html

 

Yes, the Palestinians are also. I dont make it bad when a country does so - you do.

No it isnt. The west bank is not part of Israel. Nor of the land of Israel.

The rights are not protected as long as the mandates conditions remain unfulfilled and that the UN charter of equal rights for inhabitants is not fulfilled.

Except that the process did indeed happen, they presented the evidences and won each case. Thats your problem.

The arabs in the knesset are Israelis. They have no rights in the west bank either.

The political body of the west bank is allowed no legal power to effect its decisions on the west bank, deconstructing settlements and throwing out Israelis.

As is the mandate itself as well as the rights?

Most of them dont.

Yes. Can they only work there as servants or can they also live there too as palestinians? Can they buy houses in the settlements? If not are they equally treated in these settlements?

 

Let's get something very clear here.

The UN Charter is a legal document, and every word is to be taken literally.

Article 80 of Chapter 7 states the following:

Except as may be agreed upon in individual trusteeship agreements, made under Articles 77, 79, and 81, placing each territory under the trusteeship system, and until such agreements have been concluded, nothing in this Chapter shall be construed in or of itself to alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or any peoples or the terms of existing international instruments to which Members of the United Nations may respectively be parties.

when it says "nothing in this CHAPTER", they meant it. Its a legally binding document, and all signatories are only legally bound to follow the legal language of the charter.

the fact is, UN Security Council resolutions issues 50 years after the charter was signed, International Court of Justice rulings made 50 years after, and Israeli Supreme Court rulings issues 50 years after, are NOT part of Chapter 7 of the UN Charter and are therefore not bound by Article 80.

these are the facts. No amount of legalize propaganda or wiggling can change this.

 

So the West Bank and East Jerusalem are not part of "Palestine"?

I already responded to such claim. Please read: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=433636&page=68&p=1065664368#post1065664368

Please stop using Ad-Hominem tactic, and start responding to the claims.

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I already replied to such claim. Please read: http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...during-last-two-months-35.html#post1065615686

 

please read the following post. it will answer all of your concerns

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=433636&p=1065664598#post1065664598

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Article 80 of Chapter 7 doesn't refer to UNSC resolutions or ICJ rulings.

you lose.

 

already answered.

It is according to international law, as I showed you.
And the ICJ, the UN and the UNCG gives me the moral high ground vs your experts, and define how it is.

You can repeat that into infinity, but it's a fact the same UN charter gives the indigenous people civil rights.
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I don't care how much water Israel gave the illegal settlements in the WB.
Israel and it's Jews still drain Palestinian lands as part of it's ethnic cleansing policy.

When you refuse to accept the international law as explained by the UN, the UNSG and the ICJ,
When you keep on ignoring the indigenous people got civil rights according to a UN Charter you keep on mentioning,
When you think you can place doubts that there is a Palestine, despite the UN said there is such a state...
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Not really.

So the West Bank is not part of "Palestine" (AKA the Land of Israel)?

The rights will not be harmed in any manner until the Mandate will be concluded, and because the Mandate was never been concluded, thus the rights keep been valid thanks to Article 80.

Right, once they did it, they won. But since today they dont do it, then I dont see the problem.

So Ahmed Tibi has no rights in the West Bank? Because he was Advisor of Arafat.

Let us not forget as well, that the Arabs in the West Bank have a political organization that represent them.

That's because it is in the hands of Israel. The Arabs come to the Israeli court, and the Israeli court write a ruling that the IDF needs to fulfill. As well that the settlements are in Area C which is under Israeli control and not the Arabs.

As I arleady told you: The rights that were granted in the document of the Mandate are still valid.

So now it is a figure issue? It's like we will do a contest in this forum "who has bigger D***".

The "Palestinians" have their own houses, where they like to live and it is in their villages.
Now you dont want them to live where they want to?

 

I already replied to such claim. Please read: http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...during-last-two-months-35.html#post1065615686

Why are you refer to serious subject like it is a game?

 

And I already replied.

Already responded to such claims. Please read: http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...during-last-two-months-35.html#post1065615686

The UN Charter also protects the rights that were granted to the Jews in the document of the Mandate.

The article does not talks about the settlements, but how many cubic water Israel transfered to the Arabs in 2014. Which was twice bigger then what was agreed in Oslo.
The Article debunks your claim that Israel drains the "Palestinains".
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Irrelevant. Question remains to be directed to the UN.

irrelevant. The experts of the ICJ, the UN and UNSG will in no case be trumped by your experts in any case.

It's still can not be at the expense of the civil rights of the indigenous population
you fail to CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THIS... as was put in the UN Charter for people like yourself.

Again.. doesn't change the fact that Jews and Israel are draining Palestinian land.

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It's your claim, so you need to answer.

It's all according to international law. Please read : http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...during-last-two-months-35.html#post1065615686

Israel give civil rights to the Arabs.

The Article just debunks it, when it shows that Israel is actually giving water for the "Palestinains" to use.

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you seem to not understand what "nothing in this Chapter" means.

here's a hint: its literal. The UN Charter is a legal document and its all literal.

UNSC resolutions and ICJ rulings, are not part of Chapter 7 of the UN Charter.

therefore Article 80 doesn't apply to them.

I win....you lose.

 

Right, Article 80 is not part of Chapter 7. Article 80 is part of Chapter 12.
Articles 75 to 85 are existing in Chapter 12 of the UN Charter.

 

Good point.

Article 80 is part of Chapter 12 of the UN Chapter.

Article 80 refers ONLY to statements and comments made in Chapter 12 of the UN Charter.

UNSC resolutions and ICJ rulings, are not part of Chapter 12 of the UN Charter.

therefore, Article 80 does not apply to them.

I win.