30 Percent of Republicans Say True Americans May Have to Resort to Violence to Save U.S.

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  1. Heartburn

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    For most of my life the difference between a Democrat and a Republican was so small that our elected officials could sit down and work out a compromise. Today that difference is the Grand Canyon, pretty much impossible to close the gap and it is not Republicans that are threatening the survival of America as we all know it or believe it to be.
     
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    It's hard to even figure out exactly what Democrats want.
    Half of it seems to be driven by emotional impulses.

    Totally vague generalities of belief with no agreed upon way of exactly how to deal with it. But as long as you're doing "something", it's good supposedly. Never mind if it's actually practical or really logical.

    Really somewhere around 60 percent of the intellectual impetus in the party seems to be driven by propaganda brainwashing and immaturity, at this point.
    It seems to me.

    I can only think of a handful of real platform policies and decently logical argument positions they have.

    And sadly even if Republicans decided, for the sake of strategy, to just give in to all their demands, that would not work either. The demands would just grow and they would shift further to the Left, and many of those voters would still feel Republicans were the bad guys, despite willing to concede to all their actual policy desires. Apparently it's not just about what you will get done but what you "believe".
     
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    Read Stalin's biography and you will know.
     
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    I like it, we could work with something like that.
     
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    It is both parties that are contributing to the gigantic fissure that now exists........a fissure filled with hostility , stubbornness........ and unwillingness to cooperate.The R's are just a lot more aggressive and nasty. Sadly Trump personified this ugliness and gave it permission to run amok.(He personified the UGLY AMERICAN and it caught on with many......).... The genie is out of the bottle ..........and if major problems can't tear down this fissure.......nothing can. Side are taken........and the country is literally at war with itself. creating a mileau for some serious violence.........
    Jan 6 was a sampling.......and with many now trying to minimize that event..........folks will do the same........and accept this kind of behavior as the norm.


    Only less developed nations .....or nations at perpetual war have a lot of violence......or accept it as their norm...........(and have as many weapons )
     
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    No class Steve, no class.
     
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    No class, no dignity, no self respect.., no consideration ..... Just brazen course aggression. at a primal level.
     
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    I highly doubt that much, if any violence occurs. Most people on both "sides" are not willing to lose loved one's over political differences because it makes no sense to the rational person; once they are dead, there is no bringing them back and they realize that. The few far right and far left extremists will be dealt with by the government and that'll be the end of it for the most part. Personally I'd never offer any support to any movement which calls for the break up of our country or the use of violence.

    We have a constitution for a reason and it's worked pretty well for our country since our founding in 1776 (not withstanding the civil war) especially when you consider other countries, many of whom have gone through periods of violence and instability. For those who want to break up the country, I'd say let them exercise their rights under the first amendment and have the government monitor them so if any violence were to occur, have them step in and arrest those participating in it.
     
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    The road to Hell is paved with good intentions

    Of course it so often seems these people get so caught up in the means they totally lose sight of the ends.
    As if anything is justified in the drive to take power, and then once they have that they can supposedly usher in utopia.
    Of course it never happens. We could point to endless examples of this.

    People seem to keep ignoring the issue: Why aren't the states they control utopias?
     
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    Trump didn't start this mess, it was here before he decided to run.
     
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    No he did not start it.....He exacerbated it........making it more pronounced.
     
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    Now if only we were both in Congress and our colleagues from both sides would let a deal be cut. (Fat chance of that :roll:)
     
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    You would not want the right to turn to violence the way the left has. Unlike the left, most of the people who really know how to do violence are on the right. Cops, military, etc.
     
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    Cop and military are not all rightists
     
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    True but it’s like a 70/30 split. The vast majority of people who actually know how to do harm are republicans and it’s not even close.
     
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    I think it was the hate, fed by the MSM and Democrat core that exic......accelerb.... made it worse.
     
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    Violence is not a left or right issue......... bu if one is to go by the Jan 6 riot on the capital..........it seems that the Trummp cult is defiantly violence prone............. and would do so again to stay in power. POWER has become more important than democracy......... and that riot was an example of how unstable nations behave. Particularly when they are influenced by unstable "leadership"........ that can't handle losing.

    That rioter on t he Capitol........was a symptom of a deteriorating nation..........that can't handle true democracy. Each act of violence that we have seen is also a symptom of a deeper festering cultural and national problem.
    Seems folks are too fixated i blaming the "other"............and fostering even more anger and division. There is nothing "united" about the current states.

    When a county is as divided as this one is......... it is fair game to be manipulated by other nations with their own motives s for power.

    But as the title indicates.........It is the Republicans that are inclined to use violence for power. Currently they are obstructionists to doing anything for the country...... and will continue to play that game until they secure power again.....
     
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    I only have stated the facts. If you can't handle the reality it is your problem.
     
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    I think that many factors contributed.........but leaders have a lot influence via their actions and their language. How language is used by a leader is very important ........ Good communication skills are imperative in a leader........and should never ever include threats or nasty verbosity. Diplomacy is what civility and tactfulness is all about.

    Crude and course has not place .......anywhere.........let alone on the world stage or in leadership.

    Leaders........ for better for worse ......set an example. and tone.
     
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    I believe that to be something of a myth. Cops and military are part of the community like anyone else.
     
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    No they aren't. They deal with the worst elements of the community to protect the best. They understand and accept that responsibility. It's the service role politicians like to claim for themselves and yet cops and military seldom become wealthy from it.
     
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    Well, in that sense, - yes. People did unite to fire Trump, and for many voters it was the only reason they voted for Biden, but with that done, Biden's success rate as a "uniter" is probably done.
     
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    I disagree. Social issues don't divide us, its the "divide and conquer" style politicians who do it with the "us and them" rhetoric. Trump was the worst (by far), but not the first. I think it really begun with Gingrich, and after that both parties have been at it at full force.
     
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    So it's 30% of the 2508 that was polled?

    That's like, no one.
     

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