4,136 Christians Killed For Their Faith Last Year - Where The Outcry?

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  1. billy the kid

    billy the kid Well-Known Member

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    billy the kid Well-Known Member

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    Now now now...dont get nasty...
     
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    Aceh province in Indonesia is under the control of Islamic Fundamentalists. It is one province out of the entirety of Indonesia,
    So no, Aceh is not a shithole country, it is one province in a country of mostly moderate Muslims.
    So, your example is wrong; your conclusion is wrong and your basic premise is deeply flawed.
     
  4. billy the kid

    billy the kid Well-Known Member

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    Indonesia is 87% islam...a sh1thole.....
    List me ten positive things about islam.....lets see how good you are...no...didnt think so....
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do you think it is that everywhere there are Muslims, there's always trouble? Do you think it could be coincidence, or what? [​IMG]
     
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    I think it's folk like you and others who demean, demonise and attack others in just the same ways as your ancestors did Jews, the Irish, People of Colour. If you want 'trouble' to stop, then you need to stop fearing the other. A person is a person regardless of colour, religion, politics. The only time that comes into question is when fundamentalism raises it;s ugly head whether that fundamentalism be colour-based, religious or political.
     
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    Ever been to indonesia? Marvelous country full of interesting people and cultures.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well it's a Muslim majority country, so I guess militant Islam will leave it alone - maybe even make it their Caliphate? Looks like they've given up on making Syria being their Caliphate, seeing as Assad has snuffed them out there. Hopefully for you, global Islam won't decide to choose NZ for its HQ.
     
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    Yes I have...I didnt tell them Im an apostate like you.....its a sh1thole......
     
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    And since in Europe in any country except the few Muslim countries, the proportion of Muslims makes up more than 10% of the population ... is it very difficult to talk about a majority, eh?
     
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    islam has arrived in NZ...they have 13 mosques, a claytons muslim PM and a helluva lot of people
    who cant stand a bar of islam and their pro islamic leader....why would you go to NZ if you were islamic...one more step and youre in the fkn antarctic, living in an igloo...must be a reason to go there....cant think of why youd want to live there coming all the way from the ME...oh wait....did someone
    mention a caliphate...did someone mention a worldwide spread of sharia....oh yes thats right.....something
    like that....
     
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    Dont worry 10% is enough to fuk the place...give them time and Europe will be a sh1thole too...if it isnt already.....
     
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    I haven't the faintest idea what you mean, nor do I want to know.
     
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    So kiwimac...wheres that list I asked for...while youre at it...gimme a list of ten positives things about mohammed...seeing that youre a christian (and an apostate) you should be able to whip that up in no time....
     
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    It sure has gone very quiet in Sweden; no news from there for ages. Or maybe it's a case of 'no news is good news' - we can only hope so?
     
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    Maybe the muslims have killed them all and taken over...swedenistan...has a ring to it hasnt it....
    like the sound of an islamic sword on a kaffirs neck....
     
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    Me too ... I had no idea about which majority of Muslims you blabber and I give ... honestly ... damn on this nonsense of chattering.

    Sure ... we have since 50 years a very noteable minority of Turks = Muslims at us and they are not even 4% of our population, nor is anyone seriously wanting to take over Germany aside some unimportnat minority ... same unimportnat like these Nazis still existing in every country!
     
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    I haven't read your post above, and as you insist in pestering me I'm now putting you on ignore.
     
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    Do it ... if you are unable to accept other opinion and getting factual counter evidence .... blame these people like me to be paid by others to annoy people like you, because your nonsense melts due to delivered facts like ice in the sun ... then this is the best way for you!
     
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    Well - it is easy to point out examples of folks getting stung - after the dude swings the bat - and then blame the hornets.

    Glad you liked the analogy - Muslim nations had been happily killing each other for decades - if not centuries. Tribal feuds, religious feuds, economic feuds and so on. A true hornets next.

    Putting the State of Israel directly in middle of this hornets nest - on the second most holy place in Islam - did not help to calm the hornets. One only needs look at the wars that followed - not just by the massive number of Muslim people living in that area that were displaced and made homeless - by other nations surrounding the region.

    I mention this only for historical backdrop - it is one of many factors - but, a hornet does not need much.

    At the same time the US has been to get its piece of the economic pie in the ME. We engaged in regime change in Iran - way back and then again some decades ago. We then sided with Iraq in a war where Iraq was the Aggressor against Iran. In this conflict Saddam used Chemical weapons on his own people (the kurds) and Iran - and we supported him in this effort.

    Then, when Saddam went off his leash and went into Kuwait - on the belief that we would stand down - and he had been given this indication by our representatives - we attacked Iraq. This is not about whether or not we should have allowed Saddam to take Kuwait but about the way we did it. We told the Shiite (who were a majority in Iraq) to rise up against their Sunni overlords. Leaflets were dropped all over Iraq. The Shiite did rise up - Saddams efforts to fight back were hampered as he was not allowed to use air power and the Shiites were gaining the upper hand.

    Daddy Bush then rescinded the no fly restrictions - doing a complete 180 on his deal with the Shiites. Saddam then wiped out the Shiites with air power. The sanctions on Iraq that went on for over 10 years after this war decimated the population - created a huge humanitarian crisis.

    Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Islamic Front, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab - and various other extremist groups around the world - all follow the same Saudi inspired Salafi - extremist ideology. We now see this ideology wreaking havok in Indonesia.

    Saudi Arabia has been exporting this extremist ideology all over the world for decades - in many cases arming and supporting these groups.

    When Russia went into Afghanistan this provided a huge opportunity for Saudi Arabia to spread its ideology and arm Jihadists. Afghanistan was turned into an Islamist state. You should look at before and after pics of women in Afghanistan (from skirts and western dress to the Niqab - full on halloween costume) This is where Bin Laden rose in power. He used to be on "our side".

    After 911 the Taliban immediately denounced Al Qaeda and offered assistance. We went in an attacked the Taliban. Our interest in Afghanistan was economic "the new silk road" energy corridor to India/China. We compete with Russia over this. That is why we have been there for 18 years.

    We then attacked Iraq on the basis of made up silliness and falsehoods. Estimates of the death toll are in the hundreds of thousands and we turned Iraq into a Jihadist wonderland. Iraq was "Secular" - the Islamist's "Hate" secularism" - they want a strict Sharia theocracy.

    Part of the excuse to go into Iraq was Al Qaeda but, Saddam had nothing to do with 911 - and Al Qaeda had little presence there. Saddam and Al Qaeda were blood enemies due to Saddam's evil "Secularism".

    The nation that was supporting Al Qaeda (Saudi Arabia) was not attacked - not sanctioned - nothing. Those that pointed out this truth have been silenced and the Establishment continues to defend Saudi Arabia - This is about money - not the war on terror.

    Then - after making a deal with Gaddafi - who agreed to destroy his WMD program in return for security. Gaddafi did exactly that - destroyed his WMD programs - after which we attacked him - turning Libya into a Jihadist wonderland.

    We then decided that Al Qaeda was our friend ??? In 2012 we gave tens of thousands of tons sophisticated military equipment to Al Qaeda and other Islamist groups of the same ilk in Syria. This was done in conjunction with El Saud of course (and numerous other nations).

    This action resulted in the worst humanitarian crisis so far this decade - over 500,000 dead, the refugee crisis- further spreading the extremist Saudi ideology all over the world, and the rise of the modern incarnation of ISIS. The Islamist rebels we were supporting - along with foreign Jihadists who were pouring into Syria from all over the world - coalesced into the modern incarnation of ISIS.

    The whole "Call to Jihad" in Syria was on the basis of the evil "Secularism". Syria was a secular nation . No strict sharia - no stoning adulterers. There was drinking alcohol and dancing in bars. Women drove cars and did not need permission from a man to be educated. No death penalty for apostasy and being gay. Women wore skirts and proper bathing suits (the horror). There were Christian Churches and there were Christian Generals in the Syrian army.

    The people of Syria fight to keep their freedoms - the extremist Islamist rebels want to take those freedoms away. We were on the side of Al Qaeda/ ISIS - the one's fighting to turn Syria into a Strict Sharia Theocracy.

    In Yemen we fight on the same side as Al Qaeda.

    This is what I would call - taking a baseball bat to a hornets nest.
     
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    Since when is marching around the equivalent of murdering over 170 men, women, and children? Besides I wasn't suggesting anyone hate anyone else. I was meerly pointing
    that fear of Muslims is not totally irrational even though it may not be a good thing. Some time ago, I read in the Papers about a Muslim woman who worked as a nanny for a family
    in Russia. She showed loving kindness to the children for years and then one day out of the blue went Jihadi. She killed the infidel children for Allah and was arrested walking
    down the street carrying one of their heads. That would scare anyone. My quess is the woman was mentally unstable, but examples of Muslim terrorism undoubtably inspired her.
     
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    So the real bitch is about media coverage of christians being attacked or killed for being christians. I get it.

    Poor oppressed christians suffering around a world that their ancestors conquered and exploited. And doing so in numbers that don't amount to a thousandth of 1 percent of their population.
     
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    Most of the homosexual's killed for being Gay are also killed by Muslims. It's a lot more than one or two. Most of the chruch burnings that happen in the United States are done so by other Christians.
     
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    Since they march into the mosques to commit massacres.

    Have you heard what the nazi's did during WWII?
     
  25. Jeannette

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    WOW, what a misinterpretation, which means you're totally out of God's Grace or you would be more enlightened as to its meaning.

    Just so you know, Grace is the gift God gives to purify one's heart and perfect them in virtue. It cannot come from laws and through one's own resources. God has to give you that perfection, so the more one repents and asks, the more virtuous they become.
     

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