43,644 people shot in America thus far this year

Great plan but you forgot to include the requirement that unicorn horns should be used to prevent Covid and cure cancer. This would probably have to be done before we clean up corruption in all spheres.

 

So I went back to the beginning of this little dialogue and I can't find anything from you where you propose any solutions to the problem of gun shootings in the US. nor any insight to the subject at all. Neither have you added any data that might shed any light on the topic. Since your intrusion into an ongoing discussion, that I was having with someone else, you seem only to try and belittle and make yourself look ridiculous with nonsensical bu-blub as this one I'm now quoting from you.

 

AND THATS WHY WE HAVE millions OF legaL GUN OWNERS WHO REALLY CANNOT BE TRUSTED WITH A BUTTER KNIFE.

 

Of course if you had any real reason to believe or support that, you would have posted fact instead of hot air.

Anxious to see your campaign against butter knives next.
I'd like to see a campaign against ignorance, but it's become so popular it would likely get no support.

 

IOW, Arm the people. Disarm the police. Real progress.

 

LOL! What do you trust the government with?

 

Gun crime soars after gun bans for obvious reasons.
The only social benefit government is able to effectively provide is the transfer of wealth from government and the billionaire plutocrats to the direct control of the individual members of the productive working class. Do that and the other problems will shrink fast.
Eliminating corruption is a Utopian dream. Government is inherently corrupt, evil and necessary.
Size matters and smaller is always better.

 

Yes, it does.

Absolutely yes, but millionaires can continue being millionaires or maybe I should that gazillionaires should be satisfied with being millionaires. If the lower people on the totem pole are living a decent quality of life ie. no more destitution then there is certainly enough for those at the top to still live a life of luxury. But something has to give if the US is to solve its problems.

I don't necessarily agree with you 150%. Americans deserve the promise of DEMOCRACY. That's all the US needs to achieve. Obviously, corruption (as you say) must be eliminated or at least diminished enough to where every American man, woman, and child rises above the level of poverty.

 

Beautifully said!

 

IMO, 'every American man, woman, and child could rise above the level of poverty' without eliminating billionaires or corruption so long as the harm they do is severely checked. The intellectual revolutionaries that created America were not corporatists.

“The 1919 national steel strike demonstrated how devastatingly effective this “red menace” hobgoblin could be. With steelworkers increasingly enraged over 69 hour work weeks and inflation shriveled paychecks, US steel would refuse to sit down and bargain with union representatives. Steel industry flacks then quickly portrayed the subsequent September 1919 strike as a dangerous step toward “Bolshevizing industry.” Headlines would repeat that theme over and over. “Stand by America”, read one. “Beware The Agitator Who Makes Labor a Catspaw for Bolshevism,” read another. US Secretary of War Newton Baker would add to the hysteria as US troops were rushed into the Steel town of Gary, Indiana. He denounced “violent agitation by so called Bolsheviki and radicals counseling violence and urging action on behalf of what they call social revolution”. In the end, Federal troops, State police, company guards, small armies of strikebreakers, arrests, picket line clubbings, and race baiting—combined with the national AFL leadership more obsessed with squashing potential radical rivals than defending harassed strikers—would doom the national walkout to Inglorious and total defeat.”
THE RICH DO NOT ALWAYS WIN, The Forgotten Triumph Over Plutocracy That Created The American middle Class, 1900 - 1970, Sam Pizzigati, Seven Stories Press, 2012, p. 95.

 

Is this really your standard of rational debate? Screaming and lashing out like a first grader?

Anyway, no compromise regarding the rights enshrined in the constitution and repeatedly upheld by the Supreme Court. No ifs, ands, or buts.

 

"Winning", as far as the rich are considered, is the matter of increasing their wealth. This means that they think of it as a loss ("not winning") if their yearly takings are equal to last year's. But if they don't "win" under those circumstances the poor still "lose" because their "loss" is perpetual. They never "win". Winning for them is reaching the level of sustenance that doesn't require criminal activity. So if the rich don't win the poor still lose.

 

What do you see wrong with that?

Pointing out the reality of gun owners is "screaming and lashing"? Yours is the opinion of a first-grader.

You are seriously misinformed. The 2nd. amendment (the one I am sure you are speaking of) is ... wait for it ... an amendment. What is an amendment, you might ask? It is a compromise regarding the rights in the constitution. As an amendment, it can be repealed, or as you might call it "an if", "and", and "a but" and if you consider an appeal a "compromise regarding the rights enshrined in the constitution" then you really are way off base and you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

 

No we don't. Most of the carnage is inner cities where guns are already pretty much banned. The numbers add up and the deaths are tragedy but the problem isn't guns it's societal failure.

 

IMO, many if not all of our Big Businesses should be Standard Oiled to the max. I think they would call that a loss.

Beyond that IMO all of the tax breaks Big Businesses have received to enable them to crush their smaller competitors should be eliminated.
Beyond that IMO the tax code should start discriminating "bigly" in favor of small businesses. For instance, Amazon, Walmart, Target et al should have to collect sales taxes for the next 3 decades and small retailers should be exempt from the tax. I could go on ... .

Power should flow to the people and away from Big Business/Big Government.

 

Correct. The problem is primarily all the disarmed helpless victims in DP ruled urban hell holes.
Just arm the people and virtually end gun crime immediately.

 

The COTUS can be amended, but IMO, all rational citizens should oppose any attempt to repeal the 2nd amendment and start demanding that governments stop violating it.

 

I'm with you a thousand per cent on that. Naw, I lied .... 2 thousand per cent!

 

Yes.

I guess I can't always agree with you.

 

If anyone tried to get rid of a single Right from the Bill of Rights you could be sure that they would see and finally understand what a REAL insurrection would look like.

 

Bull crappy.

 

I see.

 

Probably.

 

You do not have to always agree with me.
But you should at least try much harder.

 

The highest rates of gun crimes per 100,000 citizens is committed in the rural sparsely populated states like Alaska etc.