43,644 people shot in America thus far this year

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  1. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    True.
     
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    The only insurrection I'm aware of was when Sanders incited the armed attack on lawmakers who opposed his agenda. His assassin came armed and with the intent to undermine our Democracy by skewing the partisan balance in Congress.

    January 6 was a peaceful protest with incitement by those who had something to gain by claiming it was an unarmed insurrection. People who were charged were tortured for months before having plea deals extracted. The kangaroos in DC, likely the same people who refused to provide additional security on January 6, withheld exculpatory evidence. With the radical leftists building a mountain of midterm issues for Democrats, the insurrection lie is the only thing that can save them. Good luck.
     
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    This post is - just plain weird :disbelief::disbelief::disbelief:
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :clapping: There! You have struck the heart of the whole "freedom to do this" and "freedom to do that" hysteria. Yes, you are absolutely right! Freedom to walk the streets, to shop, etc. without needing a gun and without the fear of being murdered. Thank you - Thank you - Thank you! :handshake:
     
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    Well said.

    While you are arming yourself past the graveyard, in the shopping mall, past the gas station, in the school, in the church, in the post office ..... etc. Did I mention sleeping with one eye open? Shall I continue?
     
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    Perhaps we should consider another approach, to halt the proliferation of vicious people. A spay and neuter program sounds like a reasonable alternative.
     
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    I love how every other “freedom” can be assaulted

    The NRA misinformation machine has done a real number on Americans
     
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    Indeed. Suicide bombers are "cowards". Defenders against an invasion by a foreign country are "insurgents". Exercising legal and due process of the law is "an assault".

    That's a fact.
     
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    No surprise. The closest thing we have to Australia is Guantanamo. Gitmo has more strict gun laws than Australia. Not a single mass shooting that I'm aware of.
     
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    Good point. Since homicides are committed many times more often with knives than with rifles, ARs should remain legal and silverware should be banned. This is not even close. In 2019 for example, 364 people were killed with all rifles while 1476 homicides were committed with knives.
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls
     
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    Why have you not broken down the statistics of those who were murdered with kitchen knives, boy scout knives, swiss army knives, putty knives, bread knives, cleavers, etc? EVERYONE owns some sort of a knife. Just wait till everyone owns a rifle and then we'll see the correlation of murder with them as opposed to guns.
     
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    You forgot butter knives. If you have the stabbing data broken down in a more granular manner than the FBI table I linked, feel free to provide your detail.
     
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    That's a load of BAT GUANO. I've been a life member for the NRA since the 60's. Received and followed their positions and actions all that time. Voted in the elections.
    NEVER seen anything but factual representations and guidance to gun owners, and never seen dishonest reporting of events even when they were anti-NRA.
    If your party and mine were as honest and integrity driven as the NRA, none of todays BS would be going on- and none of the propaganda that is now so widely used by the perverted radical of these causes would be circulating, because it wouldn't be tolerated. The people would be informed and a lot smarter than they have become on the diet of pablum that dominates politics today.

    The world, and especially America is loaded with people who have dismissed their morals and are comfortable making up anything they imagine and calling it real to support what they want to believe.
    We are in an ongoing battle with ignorance, stupidity, immaturity, irresponsibility and immorality- devoid of standards and integrity. That's not promoted by people who take responsibility for their actions- but by people who do whatever they want and blame anything they don't like on others. No matter what you think your objective is, that situation is going to result in destruction of the quality of life for everyone- including the people causing it as well as those buying into it.

    The NRA is anti-crime and anti-gun abuse far more strongly that the general public. Always has been. They want gun theft strongly prosecuted, not treated as misdemeanors, because guns in the hands of criminals pose a major threat- but government ignores that, and so does the anti-gun crowd. The NRA wants stronger sentences for criminal that use weapons. Current politics are for- letting them out of jail. They have supported and sponsored firearms training and safety classes since long before I joined. What they rightfully object to is people with phobias thinking they will feel better if what they fear is gone.
    It's ironic that those people aren't smart enough to realize the gun (or anything used as a weapon) IS NOT the danger- it's the person using it. ALWAYS.

    MURDERERS and shooters or stabbers or bully's beating you to death ARE ALWAYS PEOPLE. They make the choice of violence, not the weapon. The weapon used can just as easily be a knife, a bomb, a rock, or the jawbone of an ass. Fact is- that the outrage over the AR-15 and so called assault weapons demonstrates this clearly. MORE people are killed by a weapon you can't ban- Fists and Feet- than all the rifles and shotguns of all kinds and calibers combined. Mass hysteria and emotional reactions to your imagination destroy logic, reason and common sense. Such people are unable to make sound, realistic judgements or choices
     
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    The anti-butter knife movement is just getting started, but no doubt will blossom as the potential threat is understood. The veil of innocence created by the term "butter" as promoted by the NDA (National Dairy Association) will be stripped away and the ugly truth revealed. Nobody needs a butter knife, and the world would be safer if they were all destroyed.
     
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    Not a chance.
     
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    No it can't.
     
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    The thinking Left used to know that Big Government is the great threat to human life, liberty and happiness.

    "For more than 30 years as a political scientist and peace researcher, I had focused my research on the causes and conditions of war, conflict, and peace. I have believed that war was the greatest killer that nuclear war would be a global holocaust. *** Now I have found that the total killed by government in cold blood was almost 4 times that of war. It was as though a nuclear war had already occurred.***

    Surprisingly few had recognized this. While much had been published on individual genocides, such as those of the Jews or Armenians, and some general analyses had been done, as by Kuper, up through 1987 virtually no research had been published on the total amount of genocide and mass murder among nations." LETHAL POLITICS, R. J. Rummel, Transaction Publishers, New Brunswick, Rutgers University, 1996., p. xi.
     
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    Oh ****! You're right!
    No, I don't. I am simply expressing my disdain for firearms and I sense a pro-firearm texture in your post because you've omitted handguns from your knives vs. shooting irons as if to say that guns aren't as deadly or as often used to commit homicide.
     
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    We have a lot to learn and we haven't even begun.
     
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    Yes, that is the very inconvenient truth.
     
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    Ever hear that saying, "The lights are on but nobody's home"?
     
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    Well if it's the person that's dangerous and not the tool then you don't need a gun to defend yourself, anything will do, right?
     
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    Hello? Hello?
    The gun doesn't shoot itself. You probably didn't know that, but its true.
    If you weigh 150 and you're 75, while your attacker weighs 300 and is 25....
    You seem to have no comprehension of the difference between murder and self defense.


    Or, you just spend your days heckling and trolling, and thinking that's cool.
     
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    And? If it's the person that's dangerous and not the tool then you don't need a gun to defend yourself, anything will do, true or false?
     
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    On the contrary. Whether a violent person is armed or not, the physical advantage is a weapon. The emotional position- the rage, and degree of indifference to your ability to defend without support, give that person advantage. The surprise of an attack is another advantage. Violence is not a boxing match where both participants agree and are matched in weight and protection. It's a personal attack, an act of war on a small scale. The person attacked should have every opportunity to protect themselves from that, and the chances of police being there in time to prevent anything are virtually zero.

    YOU are making an argument in favor of the violent person. WHY? Is that your personna, and you want a break? Or... just trolling along since you can't make a case with out BS.

    Now you know this, Stop just dragging crap out of your litter box and calling it rational.
     
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