6% number is not debunked

I found it the first time I opened the page. If you are too lazy or too incapable to find it that is not my problem. I have provided you multiple sources. All you can do is pretend they don't exist because the alternative is to admit you are wrong.

Keep dodging & weaving. It is all you can do.

 

Sure you did. lol

 

Cite, please.

 

Its on the thread.

 

Page 1 but as per usual you've started playing your games. That's your MO. A common factor in all the threads you create

 

No one expected anything different, but there is value in having it on display so blatantly. They avoid facts & data like the plague & stick to carefully constructed opinion pieces that just mirror their own prejudices. Its a perfectly sealed loop.

 

Feel free to present the data nobody but you can find.

 

Ok, so "Part II" how would you provide evidence of this? Would you put, for example, in other conditions things like "worked for an abusive boss"? Would you put, "addicted to drinking coffee"? And if not, why not?

 

All articles do not debunk the fact that most of the deaths just associated with COVID-19.
There is no proof that COVID-19 cause the death directly in 94% of cases.

 

ME:

YOU:

Sure, it's possible to die from pneumonia "with" COVID-19. This would be the case where something else triggered the pneumonia. That "something else" would be given as the cause of death, while COVID-19 would be a comorbidity - present but not causing death.

The attending doctor would be able to determine from the type of pneumonia, clinical history etc., what triggered the pneumonia and is therefore the cause of death.

 

No sorry - you've been misinformed.

It's counted if it's the cause of death - appears in Part I of the death certificate.

If it doesn't, it's not counted.

Any idea you have to the contrary, is due to misinformation or guesswork.

 

You just agreed with me.

 

Cite the post, please.

 

Firstly, it would be a medical condition (some states also allow significant risk factors, like drug use, if medically relevant) and the evidence would be in their clinical history. Secondly, it would depend on what the specific cause of death was, in Part I. That is, you wouldn't list all someone's comorbidities in Part II - only those that might have made a person more susceptible to the conditions arising from the cause of death, as detailed in Part I.

So, if either of your suggestions - coffee addiction and an abusive boss - have (a) resulted in a documented medical condition/health impact AND (b) that resulting condition may have contributed to the those arising from the cause of death in Part I, then that condition would be noted in Part II.

Constant stress from an abusive boss might give you high blood pressure. So too might ridiculous amounts of coffee, at a stretch. But in both cases, hypertension, not "coffee addiction" or "abusive boss" would be used - if, and only if, it might have contributed to the particular cause of death.

 

Er no, I didn't.

I my earlier post, I explained that if COVID-19 is mentioned in Part II - Other Significant Conditions of the death certificate, it is NOT counted as a COVID-19 death. If COVID-19 was the cause of death, it would be written in Part I - Cause of Death.

You replied "Either way the death is put in the covid death column".

I replied "No sorry - you've been misinformed. It's counted if it's the cause of death - appears in Part I of the death certificate. If it doesn't, it's not counted."

Quite clearly, I'm not agreeing with you.

You're saying it counts either way - if it's in Part I or Part II.
I'm saying, No - it ONLY counts if it's in Part I.

 

There’s been multiple sources saying if Covid is present it goes in the Covid death count column. Feel free to share your source that it does not.

 

For any curious mind paying attention for the last 6 months, it's common knowledge that the numbers were cooked, misrepresented, exaggerated. We have been terrorized by the parties who put out that garbage data. It was meant to cause fear and get people to hoard toilet paper of all things.

Just about a month ago the CDC amended its website for the umpteenth time and noted that previous numbers presented for public consumption had a slight error, that only 6% of the patients had actually died FROM the virus. All the rest had died from comorbidities.

Go figure....

 

I'm sick of playing teacher for people who would rather avoid reading something that contradicts them then go through a couple of pages of a thread to find it. I have wasted enough of my time tracking down the data, putting it on the thread and explaining it in simple terms. If you don't want to read it then it is not up to me to do anything about that.

If you can't find a single post with multiple links on a couple of pages here then I am going to assume you can't use a search engine or do even basic research online or offline. That makes anything you post factually worthless.

 

Ah. You cannot cite the post with the information you claim because you know there is no such post, or information to the effect you claimed
You should have just said so.

 

If you can't cite a single post which supposedly has links that support your claim, then it's clear anything you post is factually worthless.

 

Basic logic and minimal effort are required on your part. The information is already in the thread. Forum rules and debate decorum do not require the information be spoon-fed on demand.

 

How do you debunk an opinion or an estimate? We don't do autopsies on everyone that dies while testing positive. Stating a contrary opinion isn't debunking.

 

The FACT...that "excess deaths" have shown that deaths are more than several hundred thousand higher than average.

What did all those people die from?

 

You cannot demonstrate this to be true - a common occurrence with you,

 

Come on man!
Don't try to fool people
People are not that stupid.
CDC is comparing number with year of 2019 (very low flu activity).

In 2018
Number of deaths: 2,839,205
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db355.htm#:~:text=In 2018
In 2018, a total of 2,839,205 resident deaths were registered in the United States

i.e. 2839205 / 52 weeks ~ 54600 per week


in 2020
Total Deaths from all causes. 2,167,730
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm

We are currently in 41-st week of the year

2167730 / 41 ~ 52871 per week
Projected total number of death with 11 weeks left - (52871 * 11) + 2,167,730 ~ 2,760,311


Population of United States.
In 2018 - 327 millions ~ (327000000 / 2839205) - 1 death per 115
In 2020 - 331 millions ~(331000000 / 2760311) - 1 death per 119


Whole COVID-19 story is for stupid people who do not value their freedom and want to be slaves.

Even though CDC needs 3 months to fully collect data we still are not going to exceed 2018.

And if you take into account an aging population (proportion of dying baby boomers are very hight) then whole COVID-19 fake news and a lost case.