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There is no variable here in comparing a dog and a human.. Humans are bipedal, dogs are not, humans have arms and fingers, dogs have legs and paws, and the list goes on and on.. those are constants not variables. Your attempt to attack science to prove that males and females are not a real thing is a complete failure...

 

You can't even compare humans and dogs properly and hope to do the science that I do? They're not constants if they're the thing that you are comparing. They are your variables then. Try to keep up.

 

nobody has said trans people don't exist. We are simply pointing out the biological fact of reality that if you are born a male, and chop off your penis and take female hormone supplements, you will remain a male until the day you die. We are also pointing out the fact that being born a male, but thinking you are a female is a mental disorder, as defined by the DSM, of which I have quoted for you.

 

this is demonstrably false. I've shown you specifically in the DSM where it is a mental disorder.

 

Observation is the first step, so observing the differences between dogs and humans is the first step.. by all means go ahead and tell me your observations on humans and dogs and why they are the same..

I know you won't because I know all you are doing is trolling

 

That's just flat out false. The general scientific consensus is that trans people are the gender they say they are. Arguably the sex as well. Anyone can tell you that a person's genotype doesn't equal their phenotype, and reducing something down to genetic information ignores so much.

You've shown me gender dysphoria is in the DSM. Then I pointed out that dysphoria is not a disorder. But please by all means, explain how you will blunder that basic distinction again.

Because I'm asking you how do you know what you're observing is what it is you are observing. You say a dog has paws. Well how do you know a dog has paws? Because that's what a dog is. And how do you know what a dog is? Because it has paws. You have circular logic you haven't been able to explain your way out of yet. It's not hard. If you know what you're talking about then this shouldn't be a problem at all.

 

For the record, I now identify as 5 mechanical lions that combine to form a massive robot, but for short, you can refer to me as "Voltron Defender of the Universe"
Anyone that doesn't will get SUED so get ready to comply or pony up that cash!

 

no, they aren't. Biology clearly dictates if you are a male or female. Not feelings. If you are born a male, but feel you are a female, you remain a male for the entirety of your life, no matter how many body parts you chop off or how many hormone supplements you take. This is in no way debatable.

It's an objective fact of reality. Your genes/chromosomes control your sex.

well, you'd better let the DSM know that they've classified something as a mental disorder, incorrectly. Lol.

 

What is even more scary is that if he in fact is getting his PHD in Science. How in the world could anyone that has the mental capacity to get their PHD reject biological scientific fact of sex and gender is beyond comprehension and part of the problem with todays "scientist". To many allow fealings or politics to skew even the simplest of scientific facts.

 

A paw is just the label given to a thing, based on its observable characteristics. I do not need a dog to label a paw, cats also have paws so there goes your circular argument.

 

That depends. What is your PhD in?

 

And how do you know that dogs and cats have paws? Because that's the definition of a dog.

Political Science.

 

No it doesn't. It actually says that lots of different genders and sexes exist, even within one species.

No they don't. They are code for sex yes, but they do not determine whether or not you will have a particular sex. That job would be hormones.

Why? I don't think you wish me to embarrass yourself further now do you?

 

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Paw is just a label to put on a thing that shares the same characteristics . You are 100% incorrect in your circular logic argument. I do not need a dog to label a paw..

 

again, not according to biology. there are only 2 sexes. Male or female. Genetic mutations/aberrations certainly exist, but they are the extreme minority.

again, biology and genetics shows they do.

no, your genes and chromosomes determine your sex. This is basic biology.

how would I be embarrassed? I have objective reality, biology, genetics and the DSM supporting my position. You have, your feelings.

 

I rarely, if ever comment in threads about the trans issue ... my daughter's best friend for over 20 years is a lesbian girl who married Jessica 10 years ago in Canada ... he is now Jesse and I see him at least a few times a year at family functions ... it was weird at first (about 7 years ago when she transitioned) but now he is pretty much just one of the guys ... he drinks beer, shoots pool, mans the grill ... it's not weird anymore ... he's not preachy ... he's just Jesse ... and he hangs out with us ...

 

And how do you know what a paw is? By the qualities it has. How do you know the qualities belong to the paw?

And immediately disprove your claim. If you claim that there are two sexes one minute and then say there are other sexes within a species in the next, don't be surprised when you get called out on being a liar.

And basic biology says that genes are codes for protein. Don't have the stuff to make the protein? You don't get the protein. It's why I can say that you can't reduce genotype to phenotype. It doesn't work that way.

The DSM says you're wrong, it's dysphoria. Dysphoria is not a disorder, and you don't understand biology if you're making these claims. You haven't done anything other than repeat the exact same claims that any bigot makes when presented with the simple truth. Your argument is bad because your science is bad.

 

observation and categorization based on the shared characteristics.

Again I do not need a dog to describe or define what a paw is.. Your "circular logic" argument does not work.. best to give it up and move on

 

Oh gosh you really don't get it do you? You're putting the cart before the horse. You're saying you categorize something, which I'm saying is how do you know the token belongs with that type? Why not just have it be part of something else instead? Like grue or yorange.

 

you seem confused. biology confirms my position and refutes yours.

and don't be surprised when everyone reading laughs at you for it. It is a biological fact that there are only 2 sexes. Genetic mutations or aberrations do not change this biological fact.

and it remains a biological fact that your genes and chromosomes determine your sex, not your feelings.

it is specifically listed as a mental disorder in the DSM. I know it sucks for your position, but reality doesn't give a ****.

The DSM says it is. And I understand biology perfectly well. It's why I keep correcting you.

Biology isn't bigoted. It's science. It's no more bigoted for me to point out that a man born a man remains a man his entire life, than it is for me to point out a dog born a dog remains a dog it's entire life. All of this is controlled by your genes and chromosomes. It's called reality.

My argument and science are demonstrably correct. Biology clearly shows genetics and chromosomes determine your sex, not your feelings. This is in no way debatable.

 

So you say in one post that there are different sexes, and then you say that those sexes don’t exist. Make up your mind. And show me where in the DSM it specifically says that gender dysphoria is a disorder. I’ve already done it. And it clearly says it’s dysphoria.

 

How do I know if a thing belongs with a "type"? OBSERVATION and characteristics based on your observation my god how are you not grasping this simple concept?

Why is a thing categorized as a "paw" rather then a "yorange"? Is that just a made up word for a "thing" or is that just a typo for orange?

 

why do you think making **** up about what I posted is a valid argument? You do realize there is a recorded posting record on this forum correct?

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria

 

My shirt is grue. Do you understand that reference?