7 Shot in Sidewalk Shooting in Oakland

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Agent_286, Nov 27, 2013.

  1. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    But if someone already skirted or broke laws to obtain gun , who's to say they won't break any additional laws to acquire guns? We have over 300 million of them in our country .
     
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    So your answer is to ban guns everywhere. Correct?
     
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    maybe stop the drugs and gangs in the ghettos and get them real jobs so they dont have to resort to violence to survive
     
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    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You'll never totally eliminate the threat, but you can sharply reduce it by tighter gun control laws, such as background checks, etc.
     
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    What percentage of criminals bother buying guns by undergoing background checks?
     
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    if you ever been to oakland you would know the guns are bought on the streets and not at gun shops..so you dont bother with background checks
     
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    if you banned guns they would just use a knife ,a hammer.fist..all kind of things..the weapon is not the problem..you need to look at the whole picture
     
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    I don't know what the current percentage is, but with very strict gun control laws you can sharply reduce their ability to obtain guns.
     
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    I disagree. If they don't bother going through legal channels, how can increasing laws reduce their ability when it hasn't previously? Chicago and DC have the strictest gun laws in the nation and the highest gun crimes. After a while, you have to use your common sense instead of a failed ideology. Common sense tells us by the evidence that fewer guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens means more gun crimes.
     
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    Where did the guns on the street come from? Law abiding citizens who decided to sell them? From break in's in houses where guns were left unsecured? Or left in cars that were stolen?
     
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    I didnt say ban guns; just have very strict background checks on a national level. Increase criminal penalties for illegal ownership of guns.

    You'll never eliminate violence among humans, but making it tougher for those who should not be armed will go a long way in saving lives.
     
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    You want me to believe that the majority of criminals with guns steal them from law-abiding citizens, so reducing the amount of law-abiding citizens with guns will reduce the number of criminals with guns. Correct?
     
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    I support the constitution, if you want to deny citizens their right to protect their homes and families then you do not... simple
     
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    as long as prohibition exists, well funded gangs will exists, the demand is what keeps gangs self supporting


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    No I don't. You're free to believe what you want. Not all guns come from what I have mentioned; many guns are likewise brought into the country illegally and sold on the street by gun runners as well. The government needs to clamp down on this issue as well. If your a law abiding citizen, you will have no issue obtaining a gun legally.

    It would help to some degree if law abiding citizens properly secured their weapons in their homes when they are not going to be around.
     
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    If strict gun laws work, why do Chicago and DC have the strictest laws in the nation and so much gun crime? Your ideology doesn't match reality. Common sense tells us we need to move on criminals, not citizens who obey the laws. Stealing guns from homes is a criminal problem, not a citizen security problem. There is no home secure enough to stop criminals if they want something.
     
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    Today's Neo-Liberals do not care if people were killed.

    They care about people having the ability to use violence and death, without it increasing the power and profit of Neo-Liberals.

    When a gang of young black thugs uses the "Polar Bear Hunting" or the "Knock Out Game" to punch down some innocent white person, and as they fall, their head strikes a concrete curb and they later die of massive brain injury...

    it profits the political power of Liberalism, in that they can twist the violence around to the Liberals new pandering programs to "Black At-Risk Youth" and pocket a great deal of political power, and skimmed (Scooped) off profits!

    But when common, everyday, law abiding, folks have guns, they can defend themselves from both the thugs, and the government.

    It is not, and never has been about preventing death. Or they would also be trying to ban the ownership of baseball bats.

    It is about political power and profit.

    Its the same thing that the old Catholic Church used to do with sex. It wasn't that the church was opposed to people having sex, the more sex, the more babies and the greater their power. They were opposed to them having sex without giving power and profit to the church in the form of the Marriage process, or at least purchasing "Indulgences".

    The old church was selling access to sex.

    The Neo-Liberals want to sell access to physical security.

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    The leftist politicians are deliberately taking self-defense away from the people. There is a reason for Chicago and DC and other big liberal cities leading the nation in gun crimes. More crime means they can keep getting support to restrict the rights of civilians who obey laws. That gives criminals the edge, which is deliberate. It keeps the people in fear and trusting the leftists politicians to take care of them. The ignorant blacks don't know any better. The leftist politicians keep them dumb and in fear so they can be controlled.
     
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    How DARE those low-mid income Americans think they can have Physical Security, without paying the tolls to Liberalism to get it!

    Gun control is NOT about saving lives. It is and always has been about increasing the power and profits of Liberals.

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    I support background checks and whatnot , but we have something like 300 million guns in our country . Seems if someone really wants one they can find one. Don't know what to do to stop it .
     
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    300 Million GUNS! Oh my!

    How many BaseBall Bats are there in America?

    How many boxes of Rat Poison?

    How many Cars and Trucks?

    How many French Chef Knives?

    How many ROCKs!

    OMG! We are DOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMED!

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    The discussion is around guns ... Lol ?
     
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    Which just goes to prove my point.

    Liberals focus ONLY on guns, yet there are soooooo many ways to kill.

    Gun Control is not about safety or security, it is about Liberal Power and Profit!

    The very fact that you ignore the many other tools which can be used to kill, including just a length of nylon cord, or bare hands, shows that Liberals are lying and manipulating... AGAIN, not seeking to solve a problem!

    Someone who has their head bashed in with a baseball bat is just a damn dead, and someone shot in the face!

    If Liberals really wanted to reduce violence, the last thing they'd focus on is the tool and method.

    They choose to stay obsessed with the Tool and Method for the Power and Profit of it.

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    now they can just print one...

    course the government is trying to put a stop to it, but really that only stops those that would follow the law in the first place....

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-emerge-as-threat-as-gun-law-expires/3520809/


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    The nylon cord used to tie the hood of a common sweat shirt can be used as a Garrot.

    A piece of plexiglass from a $2 Walmart cutting board can be shaped with a hacksaw, file and sand paper to a razor sharp knife which is invisible to metal detectors.

    When you use that knife, it makes no noise, and attracts little attention, allowing attack after attack after attack.

    And it does not take owning a $280K+ laser / plastic resin 3d prototyping machine.

    You're barking up the wrong fracken tree!

    The problem with Violence in the United States, or anywhere else is NOT the fracken Tool! It is the Intent, organized effort, and Excuses/Allowance by the courts and society.

    How many people have been killed or seriously disabled by "The Knock Out Game" aka "Polar Bear Hunting"?

    Why is roving gangs of Black Teens committing assaults acceptable?

    If roving gangs of WHITE teens start doing the same to Blacks, how would society react?

    In the "Polar Bear Hunting", people die, and no "Evil Guns" are used!

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