A disarmed populace has buyers remorse.

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by FatBack, Dec 14, 2018.

  1. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    In that case, taking guns BEFORE having your day in court, is clearly without due process.
     
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    No its not. It's like being searched before your day in court
     
  3. ECA

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    Point being is it’s not a gun ban.
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Do you think all countries with a ban just up and happened one day? Perhaps a few but the majority were a slow erosion of rights. Frog not put in boiling water off the bat.
     
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    That doesn't have diddly squat to do with me or anything I've said or done. Further, if your collection is that large why didn't auction them off? My older brother had a substantial Winchester, and Colt SAA collection and he put it up for auction.
     
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  6. ECA

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    Exceot that we’ve already determined the red flag law isn’t a ban. Neither was what occurred after Katrina.
     
  7. FatBack

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    I give up, you are being intentionally obtuse, at this point. It is evident the second amendment presents no obstacle to the steady creep and overreach of advancing gun regulations and laws.
     
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    Why can’t you go through a firearms sale website? It’s how I’ve sold three of my guns selling to individuals (as in not licensed dealers)
     
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    Are you saying the red flag law IS a gun ban? Are you saying what occurred after Katrina WAS a gun ban?
     
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    I notice you left out the first half of my post in your quote and that's the part that has to do with what you said. First a straw man then an out of context quote. The fun never ends with you guys.

     
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    You wont see socialism in America before you see a gun ban. Its something Cortez doesn't understand while she keeps pushing for it here. Established dems know this, that why they want to take your guns before they push for their true goal of global socialism. Remember, the poorest Americans are still the top 1% in the world.
     
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    Not familiar with that. The only thing I'm aware if is a site to list your guns for sale and then both meet at a dealer to do the sale. I have to pay dealer fee and make a 150 mi!e round trip for every gun I sell which I'm just not going to do. If you know a better way I'm all ears or in this case eyes.
     
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    Lose them all in a lake?
     
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    They really can't do so without coming across as fools.Shall I list their traditional counter-arguments? Anyone thinking that the U.S. could possibly go the way of Venezuela is a paranoid conspiracy theorist with no understanding of either human nature or economics and so you need to give up you guns because civilized people don't go around armed.

    So in other words discount all of human history because leftists BELIEVE in pie-in-the-sky and wear perpetual rose-colored glasses.
     
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    In my state I can meet up with the individual anywhere we have access to a computer and fill out some info on the gun transaction portal, print a copy for each person and go on our way. Couldn't be any easier. I've sold three guns this way.
     
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    You want me to address this? Ok.

    The only time I've ever gotten politically involved in a gun control issue was when I called a Massachusettes representative and told him the gun control laws were far too severe. I have never been politicly active on the side of more gun control.
     
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    We have to meet at a licensed dealer here and have them do the transaction
     
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    That sucks.
     
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    Which doesn't address your previous statement I was responding to.

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    As a gun owner, I'm kind of surprised that this old myth that America is threatened by a total gun ban, rather silly. This shows a lack of common sense.
     
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    Real pain in the ass
     
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    That's the case in most states that have enacted universal background checks. There's a fee for processing in most, too. In Colorado, the CBI manages the background checks through NICS, and the transaction requires a fee for the background check to the state and a fee for the transfer to the FFL. It can be $40 or $50.

    It still isn't enfoceable, and the vast majority of Colorado sheriff's have both sued to overturn the law and said they won't try to enforce it. The Colorado law requires the police to get a background check for every gun issued to them. It also allows immediate family members to loan or gift guns without checks, but sales require a check. Perhaps most telling, a late addendum in the process requires that all members of a trust get a background check when a firearm is added to the trust. Who is this last bit of legislation aimed at?
     
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    Costs me nothing to use the gun transaction portal in my state.
     
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    True, but you have to have permission from the state to own a gun. It costs citizens nothing in Colorado to transfer a gun if they simply ignore the law, too, because it isn't enforceable. I'm sure criminals in both our states simply ignore the respective laws on private gun transfers.
     
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    And if you want to be an honest law abiding citizen you have to get permission to sell your own gun.
     
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    Any law that makes you pay to exercise a right is a bad law, and this one was so poorly written as to make compliance difficult. An example: you can loan a gun to anyone that you don't know is a prohibited person, for any reason, for up to 72 hours. At the expiration of that period, if the gun has not been returned, a crime has been committed. There is no way to "make that good"; the choices are to turn ones self in to the police for being an hour late, or simply return the gun and ignore the crime. One minute a lawful citizen; one minute later a criminal.

    The law allows for the loan of a gun without a background check "while hunting"? At what point in the hunting trip, from start to finish, is the transfer legal?

    When a gun loaned in a private transfer is to be returned, the law requires that the owner also pass a background check to receive his/her own gun back. Was this law actually written to reduce guns getting into the hands of violent criminals, or to place obstacles on lawful gun owners and perhaps create new criminals to whom gun rights can be stripped?
     

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