A few question for the anti gun side.

Those who seek to further limit the rights of the law abiding can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.
That being the case, you topic, admirable as it is, was doomed to fail.

 

The point is, not only was I wanting to hear what they had to say, their laws that they think will work, but also why they think they will work. I want them to think out the laws they are saying they want in place.

 

You estimate is very very low. Ask any cop how often bangers have turned. It happens all the time.

 

It is not the bullet that would lead to identification. Tell me where you got it and we can throw out one of the extra ten charges we always add on. Currently they can say they got it at walmart

 

I have, I work with many of them. I have also worked with many of the "bangers". I don't think it's low at all. I don't actually think it would do anything for what I mentioned above. I've sat in the court room as they turn down plea bargains because they don't want to be a "snitch". You don't realize, but many of them LIKE prison. I bet I'm one of the few people that works with criminals, or did rather. I will guarantee that I'm one of the few that has been shot at, and even more so, one of the few that has shot people, albeit "less lethal" projectiles, but pointed a gun at someone and pulled the trigger many times. Also, the inside scoop from relatives that have spent the majority of life in prison.... So, I think I have a better outlook than most. In reality, most criminals don't care about prison. It's too nice of a place, and as long as they know how to play nice inside, it's like hanging around with a bunch of friends for free.

 

The problem is, it's easily stolen in shipments like many firearms are every year. Also, most won't snitch.

Then... it's not like the courts are actually going to do anything about it. Criminals get by with slaps on the hand now. Even if they didn't, they don't care.

 

I disagree. The more we can track guns and ammo the more crimes we can solve and the more gangs get broken up. Someday an untraceable gun could be a thing of the past. It might take a generation but gun control works. Look at fully auto weapons. Highly controlled and very few are used in gun crimes. It works

 

I am a gun owner. I have always had guns in both the family I grew up in and the family I have now. I carry a gun when and where I want because I have had a permit for many years because of my jobs . I don't understand this all or nothing speech by gun advocates. I am against a 10 year old being able to go into a store and buying a full automatic weapon. So, why is that being a liberal wimp. The required registration of full automatic weapons has been on the books for decades and few if any have been used in crimes. I guess gun advocates would like the federal law recinded ? I hear, a gun is just a tool like a fork or a spoon. So that means anyone, any age can buy any weapon ? What gives ?

 

I hear you. The discussion should be a sane one. Can gun advocates make sense in their speech. I was in the military for 10 years. I don't want those weapons in the hands of anyone. Heck, not everyone in the military had access to all of the weapons at our disposal. What makes gun advocates think civilians should. We hand out military weapons like candy in third world nations.

 

Post your desired laws Ron. why are you so coy about what you want? DO you realize every law you support is obviously designed to harass NRA members?

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I think I am going to deem you the Black Knight of PF. You have been dismembered on this board and you keep pretending you have the ability to fight. You refuse to actually engage in the debate

 

Good news: So is everyone else, and it is illegal for him to do so.

Why do you think the former has anything to do with the latter?

That, and the ban on the transfer of such weapons made after 5/1986.
Why? There's no sound argument for the creation of the regulations currently in place, much less to continue them.

Who said that?
No one?
Did you just present a straw man?

 

You come to this board-probably using a quint, whine about gun owners and then have a meltdown when your silly arguments are shredded by probably more intelligent and certainly more knowledgeable opponents. Pull on your big girl stockings and quit the whining. This is a debate site and if you cannot stand the heat, find some other place to belly ache.

Its sort of like a guy walking into a Pittsburgh sports bar wearing a Bengals Jersey and screaming THE STEELERS ARE FAIRIES and then getting upset when people note that the Steelers again beat the Bengals yet again in a playoff game

 

There you go. The personal insults. I was starting to think honest debate was possible. And then you showed up. You never fail because you have nothing else. It's sad really. I like the Black Knight. Feel the power of the dark side. Lol

 

Come on. You can do better with the insults. Say something about my mother. You are as predictable as the sunrise. Lol

 

Mandatory training-violates a constitutional right. Plus, as we saw in the south with literacy tests that disqualified Blacks with PhDs while HS dropout rednecks passed. Since criminals do not buy guns legally, and cannot own guns legally this requirement only applies to lawful gun owners and thus is not useful for preventing criminal misuse of firearms

License for ammo purchases-again this only harasses honest gun owners and has no value in decreasing crime.

Universal registration-unconstitutional and again, since the fifth amendment prevents prosecution of criminals for failing to register something they cannot legally own, again a scheme to harass honest people. Every group that wants to ban some or all guns want registration to facilitate confiscation and criminalize owners who are on record as owning a weapon they do not turn in, this suggestion is pernicious. Universal background checks are a stalking horse for registration and again designed to criminalize people who won't bother to do something as stupid as pay a dealer 20 dollars to run a check on their neighbor or colleague

Mandatory prison sentences should be reserved for intentional harm. Lets suppose I live with my wife and adult son (I do-he just turned 18 and is an adult who can buy a shotgun). and My son say brings a girl to the home who is 17 and doesn't tell me and she picks a gun out of my office drawer and shoots herself. why should I go to jail when I had no idea that an underage untrained person was coming into a house where only well trained adults live

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I thought you were leaving. and yes, people who want to infringe on my rights and don't have the balls to be honest about why and fails to back up why their beloved infringements on our rights will do a damn thing to advance public safety are people I have contempt for

 

No son you have lost the privlidge of honest debate. That is reserved for the grownups. Now run along. Lol

 

This summer I will take my 7 year old grandson to the range to teach him about gun safety. That can never start early enough as it is the gun banners that instill fear and the normal reaction of child curiosity about banned items and never teach them how to handle a firearm and what it is capable of doing to another human. They keep their kids ignorant and; thus, keep them endangered as they do not know what they can get into in someone else's house. I feel sorry for the gun banners children as they are more endangered by their parents phobia.

 

Have you noticed how our current small arms expert and former LEO knows next to nothing about cons, the criminal justice process or the drug trade?

 

that's because he's here to harass gun owners mainly because I suspect he's a hard core Obama or Clinton supporter.

His last response to my argument why his legislative wet dreams are worthless and all designed to harass honest gun owners proves my point.

 

Think this is the guy?

 

that guy probably knows how to spell "PRIVILEGE" so probably not. but i find it amusing that our "adult" doesn't want to back up his proposals with any facts

 

Safely load? Put a round in a mag, it doesn't go anywhere until you put the mag in the gun and chamber it. Guns are not complicated. Storage is hard? Taking the mag out and ejecting the chambered round is hard?

My son isn't 9, he's 18. The 9 year old is my daughter. I love how you just tried to paint a picture of her running around like Batgirl fighting crime though and deciding who lives and who dies. That's hilarious.

Well as a former LEO as you claim, you don't seem to be very knowledgeable of the law, since it is already a requirement for anyone under specific ages in possession of a firearm to have an adult present.

It is ridiculous that you're suggesting kids are roaming the countryside with weapons holstered at their side. Do we have a problem with girl scouts patrolling with 50 cals and incendiary rounds? (Buy the cookie or else?). Your argument is just dumb.

Again this is just ridiculous. How about the fact that a criminal has a gun? No you want the problem not to be the gun, but some ammo, which is even easier to get away with. Typical banner thinking. "Banning criminals from having guns doesn't seem to be working, so lets ban the ammo and get serious on THAT one, I'm SURE that will work better!"

Why would you need to trace ammo back to a supplier when it's far easier to trace the GUN.

Have you put any thought into this stuff at all? A five year old could dismember these suggestions.

There are more than enough laws on the books to fight both illegal possession of weapons, as well as RICO and other laws that can be used against organized crime.

The government could bust up every gang in every city if they wanted to. Course that would mean putting lots of black people and hispanic people in jail, and we can't have that because that would just be racist.

Fully automatic weapons were only a problem during prohibition, which wouldn't have been a problem if they hadn't made booze valuable enough to risk your life for. Since 1934 there was ONE incident of illegal usage of an automatic firearm.

Of course you have France but that's another story isn't it.

Again, you can't do this with the gun laws already on the books? Bloodbath and Fursheezy won't tell you where they got the guns but the bullets "Ok man we'll talk". Right.

I can't believe the level of ridiculousness that you suggest.

The most disturbing thing about you though is that you claim to be a former "Can Do" member, and an LEO, and yet you neither support and defend the Constitution nor know anything about basic laws already on the books.

 

I love the insults. When your argument fails all you have are insults. Some pro gunners on here have been able to respond with logical intelligent arguments. And some have not. You know who you are. You empower me with your insults. I bask in them. It is the rally cry of the failed. All it does is demean your side. People who truly respect gun rights abhor you....you are the embarrassment they have to deal with ( the gun control side has them too). Thank you for the service you provide. I appreciate it

 

You forgot that he is an FBI director too.

 

holding an office that has never existed in the Cincinnati Field Office-I place I know well

for all you gun owners out there-especially the ones who constantly like my posts

Is Ron/Vegas Giants etc right

AM I AN EMBARASSMENT to the pro gun side?