A Preventative School Shooting Solution...Arm The Staff

You make a solid point!

 

Typical leftist nonsense approach It's common knowledge the Democrats really bring nothing to the table but hyper-exaggeration.

 

The VA. Tech school massacre shooter shot 49 sitting ducks and he didn't have a rifle.

 

You may want to factor in most shooters like this are amateurs themselves! The fact they are using a semi auto single bullet weapon demonstrates this point!

 

That is a valid concern, but it can be dealt with. Police officers are trained on how to react to on duty police officers when they themselves are off duty in a lethal force situation where they are in civilian clothes and forced to display a weapon. This training would have to be a part of the training for armed school staff members. And local police would be well aware that there were armed school staff present in the schools. All of this could be prepared for.

 

Wonder why they don't use the very effective flamethrower? Elon Musk markets one.

 

Even a pump shotgun with the stop removed would be a far better choice than a single round delivery system It would actually be quicker to bottom load rounds in chaos/confusion with a much greater kill zone.. Rifles have to be sighted for accuracy whereas a shotgun is designed to deliver lethality without having to rely on perfect targeting!

 

Your interjectional comments are lame.

 

You have opened yourself to my taunts and harassing you. I shall give you another chance.

 

Yes, I know. I brought up the flame thrower since democrats so enjoy discussing guns. When we in the Army wanted to increase our kill rate, we used the flame thrower.

 

Granted! And they are actually pretty easy to DIY..

 

I called it what it is.

Still lame.

 

I don't think we yet know why the police on campus weren't able to stop this guy. We will probably have to wait for the results of the full investigation.

In matters of the use of lethal force, training is a huge issue. Under stress, most people don't "rise to the occasion." The truth is, under stress, most people sink to the level of their training and mental preparation.

I don't. I was a School Resource Officer for a part of my career. I got to know a lot of teachers. Some would not/could not take on this responsibility. Others, I know they would and they could. One thing that was true of the vast majority of them is that they really cared for their students. As an example, in this recent Parkland shooting, a coach was killed while shielding his students. There is little doubt in my mind that there are a great many teachers who would defend their students with lethal force if necessary. I am absolutely sure of it.

Seth

 

Interesting! Good for them! And in CA of all places! Makes ya wonder how many other places have at least one or two armed staff members on campus, but they just don't advertise it.

 

A flame thrower would have the effect of setting a structural fire that could easily overwhelm and kill the attacker as well.

 

There's no way it would ever be coordinated correctly. Cops are human and they'd either end up shooting teachers or hesitating and getting killed

 

It's always possible. But it can be prepared for. And remember ... We are talking about an extreme *bang!* situation *bang!* where *bang!* seconds *bang!* count.

Let's say it takes 5 minutes for a police officer or two to respond to a school. That's *bang!* a lot *bang!* of time.

 

Texas has a rarely used "School Marshal" program. Volunteer teachers who already have an LTC go through 80 hours of tactical and close quarters firearms training. They are allowed to carry concealed in school and respond in emergencies. Here is how I would try to make it work.

Most schools have a school resource officer in the school already. He(or she) can be the lead in the response. The school resource officer and the school marshal team develop strategies during the Summer training and practice at the empty school. With 50-60 staff at a high school, it shouldn't be hard to find 5 or 6 qualified volunteers.

The school resource officer and the marshal team are all given an app for their phones. When this app is activated, all members of the team are connected on their phones instantly with each other and 911 along with school security camera feeds going to 911. All phones with this app automatically feed audio and video to 911. The school marshals occupy assigned strategic locations and direct kids to safety. (probably barracaded in classrooms with their teachers) The school resource officer and responding PD actively pursue the shooter with input from the marshals. If the shooter approaches a marshal or they are shooting nearby, they can engage him.

I know there can be holes in this approach, but it gets protection on site instantly and informs responding police in a realtime manner as they respond. It also doesn't cost a fortune, as the teachers are volunteers.

 

Are you ignorant enough to thinkbelieve that teachers have to/want to be PAID for protecting their students?

Of course the cost(s) will be covered.

But the only type of teacher that would consider this an "extra job" and want to get paid handsomely for it would be a decidedly liberal one.

(I bet you threw the getting paid part in because you ignorantly and stupidly thinkbelieve that the prospect of paying them would turn Conservatives off on the idea, eh?)

 

The school district should cover the 2 week annual Summer training and provide ammo for monthly group range training. It’s a volunteer position. No extra pay.

 

Of course, they would be volunteers. You would never want to arm and train anyone who was unwilling.

Being volunteers, you would not need to pay them anything extra except for their training time. Weapons, ammo, a background check, and the cost of instruction could be paid for by the school district. Some may wish to carry their own firearms, however. Public agencies in a community tend to work well together, and I could see some sort of cost-saving arrangement being worked out between the school district and the local police department for the ongoing training. I am a professional law enforcement firearms instructor. I would say the initial training should be about 80 hours, covering the law, safety, mental and physical preparation, concealed carry techniques, emergency response, post-shooting procedures, and then, of course, the actual firearms training itself. Ongoing training would be three or four 4-hour sessions per year. Once a school district got past the initial training/equipping costs, the cost of ongoing training would be very small.

All of this is by far less expensive than hiring a full time armed security service or police officers, and a school could have just a few employees so trained, or more depending on cost. If a school had 50 employees and 10% of them were trained, that would mean there were 5 employees on campus who could respond to a shooter instantly and save lives.

The covert nature of staff members carrying concealed weapons would also avoid giving the school the appearance of an armed camp.

These staff members wouldn't need raises. They would be volunteers, and they would just come to work and do their normal jobs as usual - nothing extra. Statistically, the chances that a school employee would ever need to actually use the firearm are extremely small. But at least they would be there, trained and able to respond very quickly in the event of a crisis. I think this is a lot better than potentially becoming helpless victims.

Seth

 

...and YOU as a Republican seem to want all these additional services for FREE....why do Repubs want everyone else to give them FREE stuff ? Why is that?


Why don't Republicans care enough about those "Precious Lives" to be willing to PAY to protect them ????




......they want FREE STUFF all the time !!!

 

Why pay for stuff that people will volunteer for?

 

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WHOA! I did NOT say volunteers, I said WILLING. WILLING to take on ANOTHER job with a gun requirement.

AND how many of the rest of us NON teachers do "volunteer" work for their employer ??

Especially a job concerning guns and shooting and taking our lives in our hands to protect others...

Taxpayers.




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Why? Would you have the same teachers forever?

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IT SHOULDN'T BE!

IF a TEACHER is doing the job of a security service and/or the police' job why shouldn't they get the same pay as they do?



Unlike the security guard or police teachers would be doing TWO jobs at once....and you want them to do a dangerous job for FREE...


Are you a Republican who wants everything for free?


How about we get rid of school bus drivers and maintenance and have the teachers drive the kids back and forth and maintain the school ???

Oh! YES! Just like you saw on TV!!!! Where all 5 teachers are all at school that day and all are just wandering the halls with nothing to do but watch for bad guys..

LOL! You ARE a REPUBLICAN...... NO raises for someone with TWO JOBS, SPECIAL TRAINING, who is expected to shoot it out to protect others like a cop or security guard....UNBELIEVABLE!!!

NOTHING EXTRA!???? WHAT!...just hours and hours of THEIR time at training and having to carry a gun and PROTECT and guard the gun !

So why don't YOU volunteer to be the Security Forces at your local school and protect your kids ?!!! Maybe you and the other parents could rotate so you could hold down your other job and spend hours protecting the school.....isn't that in YOUR job description ???




BTW, WHO pays for the liability insurance in case this teacher/armed guard accidently shoots and kills or wounds someone who isn't the shooter?

 

See Post # 74


BTW, if they want "volunteers" there is a whole community surrounding schools filled with PARENTS, THEY and maybe some other professionals should give up their time, take time off their jobs with no pay and give FREE police service to schools...