A Preventative School Shooting Solution...Arm The Staff

You know this for sure?

 

Gee, how DO the cops tell which is the shooter and which is a teacher/armed guard ???

 

...and students and faculty and fire fighters and police.....

 

What kind of narrow minded BS argument is this?

To think arming teachers would be done without training and education on gun use is ludicrous. Try basing your counter argument closer to reality. The entire staff would be familiarized to these tools. Not to say I think this is a full proof plan. But the counter arguments I’ve heard are intellectually lazy. “ZOMG ITS NOT SAFE”. And “GUNS IN SCHOOLS NOT SAFE”. HURRRRR NO DUH. It’s also not safe to have an unarmed, defenseless group of teachers and students.

I’m going to sit here with my popcorn and watch until the next school gets shot up. And then the next. And then the next. It won’t stop.

All of the solutions I’ve heard from the left are totally unreasonable. Metal detectors, police forces, etc. there flat out is not enough resources to secure every school in America adequately. And confiscating every gun in the country BY FORCE is the only way, but it flat out isn’t going to happen.

And on the right, the people that fetishize guns need to get a clue. Tighter control NEEDS to happen.

Not one moron on this site has mentioned the stipulation that satisfies both conditions, 2nd amendment and gun control. IMO the PURPOSE is to give the population the means to defend itself from the government. To equate another way, the arms of the government must equal the arms of the people. I tend to agree with this.

So, ban guns. BUT, police and military ALSO don’t have guns. This would leave the 2nd amendment fanatics without an argument. And the ban would be without exception. If this sounds unreasonable to the gun control crowd, grab some popcorn. There’s plenty to go around. And let’s all bet if the next shooting will break the Va Tech record...

 

Well, 18 states already allow teachers to be armed and how many teachers/armed guards have the cops shot so far?

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Gee, how DO the cops tell which is the shooter and which is a teacher/armed guard ???

That does NOT answer my question.

Maybe 18 states do allow teachers to be armed ....how many have fought in gun battles at their schools.

Gee, at one time there were no school shootings so I guess that would never happen....

 

Jesus!

REAL people, us Republicans that is, have been saying that for YEARS.

Yet, the lib/progs and the useless unions won't let that happen.

 

That was back in the day when half of the boys had rifles and shot guns on a gun rack in their truck out in the school parking lot.

They also had firearm instruction IN the friggin' school.

 

If they are not willing, they don’t have to. If they want to do this, they may offer to do it.

It’s not for everyone.

“Volunteer” does not mean “unpaid”.

Yes.

A lot of them, yes.

Teachers make more than security officers, and their salaries are similar to police officers.

No, they would just be doing there teaching job, but they wouldn’t be helpless if someone was trying to murder them and their students.

I am not a Republican.

You are effectively arguing that NOBODY but police can protect themselves or others in an emergency.

No, they would just be doing their regular daily job.

Something to think about ...

- No civilian is ever REQUIRED to engage a shooter. Only police have a positive DUTY to do that. However, nothing prohibits a civilian from engaging a shooter either. So they really don’t have two jobs. What they have is an option to simply cowering and being helpless.

They would be paid for all their training time, and nobody would have to do any of it if they didn’t want to.

I have never suggested that any of this be done for free.

WTF difference does it make???

 

Gee, I guess you just made my point. Thank you!

 

Some of us have.

 

The security staff get paid to do security like they always do.

The teachers get paid to teach.

The teachers will also get paid to train, both initially and periodic follow-ups.

The equipment will also be free, assuming a teacher doesn't want to bring their own APPROVED firearm.

The National Guard pays for ACTIVE DUTY PARTICIPATING.

Then they go back to their regular job.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
BTW, if they want "volunteers" there is a whole community surrounding schools filled with PARENTS, THEY and maybe some other professionals should give up their time, take time off their jobs with no pay and give FREE police service to schools...

Ya, sure, it's always someone else's fault....

I really want to see stats on how many parents are willing to take time off their regular job, on a regular basis, pay for their own training and gun, pay for their own liability insurance ( IF they can get a policy that let's them off the hook if they accidently shoot someone who ISN'T the shooter).... and patrol the school.

 

That has nothing to do with what we were discussing or how I shut down your argument that nothing happened so nothing will happen.

Here it is:
FoxHastings said: ↑
Gee, how DO the cops tell which is the shooter and which is a teacher/armed guard ???"""""

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Choppedliver:Well, 18 states already allow teachers to be armed and how many teachers/armed guards have the cops shot so far?"""""



FoxHastings: That does NOT answer my question.

Maybe 18 states do allow teachers to be armed ....how many have fought in gun battles at their schools.???????????????

Gee, at one time there were no school shootings so I guess that would never happen....

 

There are many possible measures that could be taken to increase security at schools where one is allowing the staff to bare arms and another is to increase security with metal detectors and security staff (it works at airports, so why not at schools too?).

 

That's fine as long as there's no force or requirement.

Here's the question you omitted:

FoxHastings said: ↑
. how many of the rest of us NON teachers do "volunteer" work for their employer ??

Yes, taxpayers....not all may be willing...

A lot of teachers teach forever....oh really....

Yes, when they have ONE job.

You want them to pay for a gun, training, insurance (IF they can get it) and take all the risks involved in a shoot out for the same pay !

There are work[place shootings....would you protect your company like that for NO extra money....no sane person would...

So arm EVERYONE in the school.....then none will be helpless....

You sound like it.

No, what I said was :


FoxHastings said: ↑
.How about we get rid of school bus drivers and maintenance and have the teachers drive the kids back and forth and maintain the school ???


"" they would just be doing their regular daily job."""

NO, I would NOT like a unregistered , untrained vigilante hero wannabe "protecting" MY children.



.LOL! You ARE a REPUBLICAN...... NO raises for someone with TWO JOBS, SPECIAL TRAINING, who is expected to shoot it out to protect others like a cop or security guard....UNBELIEVABLE!!!

So get taxpayers to agree to that......why hasn't it been done?

YOU don't even want them compensated for risking their lives shooting it out with an armed gunman!!!!

NO, THIS is what I said:

FoxHastings said: ↑
.So why don't YOU volunteer to be the Security Forces at your local school and protect your kids ?!!! Maybe you and the other parents could rotate so you could hold down your other job and spend hours protecting the school.....isn't that in YOUR job description ???"""""""""""""""""""


...and you couldn't answer....

WHAT! What difference does it make


WHO pays for the liability insurance in case this teacher/armed guard accidently shoots and kills or wounds someone who isn't the shooter?


A BIG difference...will YOU??????????


See, all you "arm the teacher" folks never think of the Very Important Details...

.....you envision a teacher who looks like Clint Eastwood and maintains a presence everywhere in the building calmly taking aim at one clear target.

Real life will disappoint you......but don't let facts get in the way

 

You had a point ???

 

Well congratulations....now get every other parent to do the same.....I'll wait...

 

If the teachers are trained for another job they should get paid for it.....

 

A) You didn't shut down jack ****.

B) You and your lib/prog ilk would rather have teachers and students alike be sitting ducks in an active shooter situation.

C) DON'T EVER USE SOMEONE ELSES WORDS/QUOTES AND CLAIM THAT I SAID IT.

EVER!

 

A child's life is much precious than anything on this Earth. If keeping them safe is deemed "too expensive", then the State should not even bother schooling them and leave that entirely to the free market to handle. Additionally, "it is too expensive" is a rather crappy excuse considering the sorts of idiocy the State otherwise wastes its citizens' money on.

 

According to your (so called) logic, this is how it should work...

In order to protect our school children...

Teachers are already trained to conduct and participate in fire drills.
Ergo, they should also be paid a Firefighters salary in addition to their Teachers salary.

Teachers are already trained to conduct and participate in active shooter drills.
Ergo, they should be paid a Police Officers (S.W.A.T. even) salary in addition to their Teachers salary.

Teachers are already trained to conduct and participate in active shooter drills.
Ergo, they should be paid a First Responders salary in addition to their Teachers salary.

So, your (so called) logic has just quadrupled a Teachers salary that, according to your (so called) logic, they should already be getting.

I suppose you thinkbelieve that Teachers should be given retroactive pay for what they have already done in the past in addition to quintupling their salary for being a Police Officer, Firefighter, First Responder, and Armed Security Guard in addition to their Teachers pay.

So much for your decerebrate position/argument as it has just been blown out the water.

 

Most bills written to allow teachers to have guns do not allow for funding for training. They literally just allow teachers to bring their own guns to school, regardless of any training or lack of training. That is where the issue goes wrong.

If it were a case where funding was given to train some teachers in security and firearms use, and set them up as security personnel in addition to their jobs as teachers, that would be one thing, but the people who simply want to let random teachers bring their personal guns onto school properties are idiots. In my opinions, this training would have to be done in addition to having full time security, such as police, patrolling the property as well. Teachers wouldn't be able to do proper security patroles and still be able to effectively do their jobs as teachers.

 

My apologies for the mistake....you're still wrong

 

Don't laugh too hard....a drill is NOT a shoot out....