A question to Creationists....what ethnicity were Adam & Eve?

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    and apparently it worked, given your refusal to even engage the question. instead you've effectively said:

    "everyone knows god did it with magic, so shut up!"
     
  2. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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  3. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    So you're flat out denying that people were living in Assyria, Ethiopia, and Arabia at the very same instant that Adam & Eve were in the Garden of Eden as it says in Genesis 2:10-14?

    That's some hardcore denial you have going there.
     
  4. YouLie

    YouLie Well-Known Member

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    What evidence is there of the first humans' skin color? Are you assuming that it must have been "black" since scientists have traced the origin of man to a region of Africa where "black" people currently reside?
     
  5. Gorn Captain

    Gorn Captain Banned

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    So were Adam and Eve "black"?
     
  6. YouLie

    YouLie Well-Known Member

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    I have no idea.
     
  7. Gorn Captain

    Gorn Captain Banned

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    Have you ever thought about it?
     
  8. YouLie

    YouLie Well-Known Member

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    Maybe when I was a kid. It seems petty to me. Jesus doesn't care about your skin color.
     
  9. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    According to the bible. All were one type/kind/race.
    Ethnicity came after the great flood some 4500 yrs ago. When noah's 3 sons were sent to other parts of the world.
     
  10. NightSwimmer

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    That Noah was a veritable font of genetic diversity, wasn't he? ;)
     
  11. alsos

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    Well, you certainly proved 2.2 billion people are wrong. :???:
     
  12. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nope....just ignorant.
     
  13. alsos

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    Wait... they're not wrong; but they're ignorant?
     
  14. NightSwimmer

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    I agree. These two characteristics are not mutually exclusive.
     
  15. Phil

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    Let's get simple.
    Which biological attributes do evolutionists assign to the climate in which groups were living and which have no relevance to environment?
    Any fundamentalist willing to seriously consider the issue would logically agree that those attributes related to climate developed quickly, possibly with the first human generations born in those climates (maybe even developing in adults after they moved to those climates).
    Remaining attributes would have never changed since creation.
    Now for the evolutionists, correct this if I'm wrong.
    Evolutionists believe that if a species has a part that is no longer needed (like an appendix perhaps) it will slowly vanish.
    Evolutionists also seem to believe that if a species needs something it will slowly develop.
    If that's right how can the species survive without the thing it needs while it waits for it to slowly develop?
     
  16. Gorn Captain

    Gorn Captain Banned

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    Why is it "petty" to ask a logical question about a story from the Bible???

    - - - Updated - - -

    No, I have proved that people who believe the Bible is "literally and historically true"....have few answers to logical questions.
     
  17. contrails

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    Okay, you're wrong, so let me correct you.

    Just because a trait is no longer needed (like an appendix perhaps) doesn't mean it will disappear (we still have an appendix).

    If a species "needs" a trait to survive, then it will develop quickly, as only those individuals possessing that trait will survive to reproduce.

    Traits which allow a species to survive BETTER can develop slowly, as it doesn't prevent individuals without this trait from surviving also.
     
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    You also have to factor in...time.

    Remember, the Creationists believe that Adam & Eve existed a mere 6000-10,000 years ago (depending on the form their Creationism takes).

    How could "environmental conditions" create "Caucasians" from "Africans"....or "Asians" from "Africans" in the space of a 2-3 millenia? (Remember we have artistic representations from Egypt to China that show the racial diversity of Egyptians from Chinese, dating back to a few millenia BCE)

    Only a MUCH longer process could account for that...but even using the "short term" version?

    It means Creationists accepting a FORM of human evolution...and once they say you could have "racial diversity evolution" (even in the space of 2-3000 years)....it opens them up to being asked

    "Okay why not DEVELOPMENTAL evolution in humans? Say from Australopithecenes to Cro-Magnon in a few million years?"

    At which point they've gotten themselves in a pickle....as they usually do. :)
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When one either does not know information, or purposefully denies it they are ignorant. When one knows and accepts said data and reaches an inaccurate conclusion regardless.....they are wrong.
     
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    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So, you know eve was formed from adams rib but then state you would need a time machine to find out what color she was is that correct?
     
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    pretty much.

    You really can't tell a person's color from their bones.

    What causes skin color is a chemical called melanin, and it is affected by environmental factors.

    Here's a wiki if you're interested and for those who don't know:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanin

    Fair warning, i'm sure you're trying to point logical errors in my statement, I really don't much care for logic. it tends to turn people into intellectual elitists.
     
  22. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    So no one is willing to answer how Assyria, Ethiopia, and Arabia co-existed with the Garden of Eden and Adam & Eve.
     
  23. AboveAlpha

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    Adam and Eve did not exist.

    It is IMPOSSIBLE for only two people to have the genetic diversity to generate any population that is greater than only 5 generations before they start becoming sterile and have birth defects.

    AboveAlpha
     
  24. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Adam & Eve were the local big wigs in a town in Assyria, probably Tyre. They ticked the Emperor off and he kicked them to the curb. The phrase "Garden of Eden" referred to the Assyrian Empire. If people read their favorite ethnocentric religious fairy tale they would know that.
     
  25. AboveAlpha

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    There are a number of religions and cultures that discuss a Garden of Eden although they have different nales for it.

    Biblically....they are referring to the area in Iraq between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers.

    AboveAlpha
     

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