Abbas admits 1947 rejection of Jewish state a huge mistake

Yes more insults, little substance.
You advocate protecting the palestinian minority of 25 percent but not smaller minorities in other arab countries, and you ignore the fact that these other countries also had much larger minoirities until they were expelled. The result is, in Moon's analysis, it makes sense to destroy a minority population if you want to do your thing - except of course in relation to Palestine, in which case Moon is supporting it. Talk about hypocritical.

 

The decisions of others to believe, or to disbelieve, the Zionist lie is neither here nor there. The fact remains that Israel has a population of Palestinians which totals one quarter of its citizens. Bellyaching about voluntary emigration from other countries will not cure neoZionism's fatal dilemma- ridding itself of an arab population which will, eventually, be its majority. A ' jewish State ' forthcoming ? No, I don't think so- and the world at large doesn't want one.

 

Ive read the 1945 survey of palestine. It doesnt say anything like that. The above stuff is mostly balderdash created by and for zionism.

Moreover Palestines industries and cities and roads were all built by the arabs. They owned the land, they tilled it, and they traded on it. Even those lands considered crown lands were simply common lands that previous empires has assumed control of, their actual use and development was by, you guessed it - the arabs.

But hey great to see you back Doctor. Will you be staying long this time? I hope so, but I dont want to read anymore anti-muslim bigotry, in fact no bigotry at all please - just straight shooting please.

 

That's because you can't read a map, the vast majority of land partitioned for the state of Israel was either British Crown Land which they obtained from the Ottoman Crown or was owned outright by Jews:

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Articles/A-Survey-of-Palestine/Story7011.html

Then provide title or ****.

lol yes yes things like actual ownership doesn't matter in your world. Unfortunately for you the Arabs did not own the land they were migrant sharecroppers tilling other peoples land.

 

Im gonna move to Australia and in 20 years demand my own state based on the fact i worked there.

BRB

 

LOLOLOL!!!! yeah, the Christians havent been fleeing the middleast for decdades, they just arent potent enough to maintain their populations. Absurdity. Probably more christian Syrians living in the US, than living in Syria. More Palestinian Christians living outside of Palestine than living in Palestine

 

There were NO parts promised by the Mandate, Gilos!

http://www.politicalforum.com/latest-world-news/213987-finnish-fm-israeli-occupation-apartheid-7.html#post4646050

and

http://www.politicalforum.com/latest-world-news/213987-finnish-fm-israeli-occupation-apartheid-7.html#post4646247


And there is no point in my responding to anything else..yet again..because it gives one a really sore head banging it against a closed mind.

 

The Islamic countries HAD non muslim populations which totaled one quarter of its citizens, and it didnt prevent them from becoming an Islamic state.

 

Ah the map you didnt provide for us?

What was all this crown land prior to jewish immigration and who was on it? Or does that not matter?

As for maps, check this one, from our dear old survey;
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story574.html

Do you think that immigrant jews owned all this land despite being only some 12 or so % of the population in most districts excepting Jaffa and haifa?

Or is there some other line youd like to spin us?

What does **** mean?

Titles are subject to the whims of whatever imperial power happens to pass by. Ill just ask you who mostly built all the cities and roads and everything else up to 1940.

Tell us or **** or whatever.

Have another map;

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story571.html

and since you like the source so much please have another;
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story573.html



Cheers

Creation

 

I can add the map the Zionists submitted to the peace conference after WWI........the one that shows the borders Ben-Gurion wanted in 1918 when he described the future "Jewish state's" frontiers as follows:

"to the north, the Litani river [in southern Lebanon], to the northeast, the Wadi 'Owja, twenty miles south of Damascus; the southern border will be mobile and pushed into Sinai at least up to Wadi al-'Arish; and to the east, the Syrian Desert, including the furthest edge of Transjordan"

 

If borders were not administrated and the Jewish National Home in palestine (that's plain English right?) offers a home to every person with jewish nationality within palestine - what's the fuss about immigrants?
Immigrants in the 20's had full rights and suppurt to live in palestine, the arabs didnt like that so the Britts tried to stop it - none had the right to do it.
the need of a state was recognized by the UN since the arabs refused the jews elementry rights.

 

The brits didnt have the right, the arabs didnt have the right. So who had the right? Jewish people living in europe?

Why didnt arabs have the right?

What is it that gives one the right? Why do you bother with majority rule in Israel is you dont respect this premise?

 

I think you know what i stand for, i said it many times, i only have disagrement with those that fail to see 2 countries to 2 nations, if i am "pushed" to speak of rights as to justify jews in palestine/later israel than i'll do it but that should not be interpreted as i only support one side rights here,

Regardless of what happend before, only 2 countries will secure each side rights and 67 results were one of israel's biggest mistakes that we seek a way out of for many years, it will probebly only happen when Abbas will finish his current ego trip and find us still there, the Hamas are a diffrent story as there idea of living together is to run over jews inside israel with millions of muslims.

 

Don't be silly.......of course they didn't offer a home to every person with Jewish nationality......because there is no Jewish nationality..there is however, a religion, Judaism. The early Zionists were religious Jews, which is why they were less than keen on the influx of secular political Zionists.

And now Israel offers homes to anyone with just one Jewish grandfather, despite Jewish Law....because not enough born Jews want to actually live in Israel.

In fact, as you are so keen on Ben Gurion quotes....At a 1938 Mapai Central Committee meeting: ''If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.' Shabtai Teveth's ''Ben-Gurion: The Burning Ground 1886-1948'' (page 855-56).

Which illustrates, to me, the whole Zionist mindset....do what is politic to get what you want......morality, fairness and equity can't be allowed to subsume ambition.

 

Most of us would like to see two sovereign nations living side by side in peace, Gilos.

The problem you face on forums, however, is the perception, due to the actions of Israel and its backing by the US, that Israel does not want peace at all. Maybe individuals, possibly many individuals, within Israel do...but they have little effect on Government policy it appears.

How else can you explain that 45 years on, Israel is still building settlements in the West Bank.......still herding the Palestinians into ghettos separated by Israeli only roads, checkpoints and barriers..... controlling every aspect of Palestinian life,.......and insisting that whatever happens, there will be no sovereign nation of Palestine, as long as the Israelis can pretend to have "security concerns" which they have, over the past 65 years or so, brought solely on themselves.

 

So the 'Zionists' settled for the land they wouldve been mandated in the Partition plan instead of the original plans for Palestinian domination?

Now if the Arab resistance wouldve just compromised a little bit,things could be so much different.

 

Look Gilos I dont really think its possible as a human being to justify the imposition of israel years ago. I think we both know that.

Its not a big deal - my own country of scotland emerged out of the same dark and basically foul history - its just that it was so long ago no is able to remember any of it.

It was an unjust act. Thats why the arabs rejected it and really no can reasonably blame them. Thats why I always argue for them. Any reasonable israeli would be much more sympathetic to their argument.

But youre right, the situation is as it is today. And you and those israelis in agreement with you would be just the men we need to make things work today in palestine.

 

What the jewish immigrants settled for was still far more than their numbers justified.

It was given by the UN in favour of jews who were not even living there at the time. Thus placing the interests of foreign jewish people over local people - a fundamentally racist and therefore immoral act.

And dont mention the holocaust, its irrelevant.

 

I provided the actual statistics from the map.

Ottoman Crown Land.

Arab migrant sharecroppers who did not hold title to the land.

Ya and you see the little province called Beersheba which encompassed the vast majority of the land allocated to the Jews under the partion plan? Ya it's 84% British Crown Land! Your map is deceptive as proven by the actual statistics of the map in their totality which I provided which shows that the British Mandate prior to partition was 27,698.95 square kilometers of Jewish and Crown owned land versus 24,670.46 square kilometers of Arab owned land:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_Palestine#Land_ownership_by_type

And what's more the Jews outnumbered Arabs within the lands partitioned for a Jewish state by 55% to 45%.

http://www.mideastweb.org/unscop1947.htm

Jews outnumbered Arabs in the lands partitioned for the state of Israel and the majority of land allocated for this state was either Crown or Jewish owned land.

No, title proves ownership, if you can't provide title then you can't prove ownership.

Well let's look at the statistics, 216.88 Sq Km of the Urban land was Jewish or British Crown land versus 76.66 Sq Km of Arab owned Urban land, and of the rural but built on land 121.55 Sq Km was Crown or Jewish owned land versus 36.85 Sq Km which was owned by Arabs.

Now let's take a look at the farm land; 9,837.7 Sq Km was Jewish or British owned land versus 7,631.13 Sq Km which was owned by Arabs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_Palestine#Land_ownership_by_type

Now according to your logic migrant sharecroppers are entitled to ownership of land if actual title is transferred from one state to another simply by virtue of a title swap between one owner to another, which would mean that if I owned a farm and hired migrant workers to work that land and then I decided to sell my land or give it to someone else that it would be the migrant workers not the person/persons of my choice who would be the rightful owners of said land, which is completely absurd.

The publicly owned land was in fact British Crown land your maps wording is deceptive in that it would have us believe that it was simply Palestinian state land when no such state ever existed, this was British land and before that Ottoman land, and the British decided to partition this land for a Jewish state, it was not and never was Arab owned land!

 

lmfao Jews outnumbered Arabs in the lands allocated for the Jewish state and the majority of land was either British Crown or Jewish owned land.

 

Ask him how the Arabs ended up on Israel / Palestina / Jordan, its not like they are natives.

 

Balderdash, in the style of Lord Carradon.

 

It's undeniable fact, the British Mandate prior to partition contained 27,698.95 square kilometers of Jewish and Crown owned land versus 24,670.46 square kilometers of Arab owned land:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_Palestine#Land_ownership_by_type

And what's more the Jews outnumbered Arabs within the lands partitioned for a Jewish state by 55% to 45% IE 498,000 Jews vs. 407,000 Arabs.

http://www.mideastweb.org/unscop1947.htm

Now will you answer my previous question which you continue to dodge which is do you reject the Arab Republic of Egypt, the Islamic Republic of Iran, and the Syrian Republic of Iran, or do you only reject the Jewish State of Israel which unlike the former 3 grants full and equal rights to all citizens regardless of religion or ethnicity?

 

Your OWN link marks your derisory post as GARBAGE ! You are producing the statistics of the rubber room.

 

Well clearly, G-d was not on the Arabs side! And certainly not in the matter of Judea and Samaria.