Abortion

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  1. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Overturning Roe V. Wade (almost universally considered to be a poorly made SC decision) would not outlaw abortion in the U.S. anyway. It would simply kick the issue back to state level. About one third of the states would probably outlaw most abortions while about one third would maintain current law.
     
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    Your math is terrible.

    That aside...yes...it will allow the anti-abortion freaks to go crazy in red and purple states...and further divide the nation when blue states don't.

    And guess what? Wealthier women will simply travel to blue states (the way they used to "go on vacation" to Puerto Rico and Mexico) and poorer women will be stuck with back alley abortions "like the good old days"
     
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    Evidence of what exactly?
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where is your proof?
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And of course you dont?
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Put your baby up for adoption, and you wont be complisit in murder.
     
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    Abortion is murder. No different than Lee Harvey Oswald killing JFK.
     
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    The people who came forward have credible allegations
     
  9. Dayton3

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    You have proof of this or are you simply regurgitating pro abortion talking points?
     
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    Your claim that unwanted babies would be abused in large numbers. Where is your evidence of this?
     
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    That might be true but first the Anti-Women Rights crowd and their lawyers will have to come up with a reason....so far they have no case, nothing to argue. If they did , if there was a case against women having rights they would've used it by now.

    I agree though that people who are for rights for everyone, including women, should be watchful since those against rights for women are making creeping inroads with sneaky legislation making abortion harder and harder especially for poor women who need it the most.

    Which shows the ONLY "life" the Anti-Women's Rights people are interested in is the fetus and ONLY because they can use it to control women.
     
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    Or have an abortion which is a legal medical procedure.......if you think it's murder why haven't you called the police ???:)

    Why do you think pregnant women shouldn't have the same rights you have?
     
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    Wealthier women will simply travel to blue states (the way they used to "go on vacation" to Puerto Rico and Mexico) and poorer women will be stuck with back alley abortions "like the good old days"



    Because that describes what YOU consider the "good old days"....poor and middle class women being maimed and even dying because of abortions done by anyone they could find...


    NO Anti- Women's Rights person has EVER explained how banning abortion will stop abortion....NEVER....because it won't.
    It's ONLY purpose is to make women's lives harder...
     
  14. Dayton3

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    Don't be an idiot. What an anti abortion person thinks abortion is doesn't change the law. Which is why we try to change the law.
     
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    :) Name calling, the sign you have nothing worth saying...:)

    If a person has a conviction that it's murder they have a responsibility to call the police....if they don't they are neglecting their duty as a citizen for reporting a crime. The POINT is that it isn't murder so they don't call the police...:)

    Gee, you forgot part....was it too INCONVENIENT ? Here is the part you avoided:

    """Why do you think pregnant women shouldn't have the same rights you have?""
     
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    Those are all facts.

    He WAS banned from the mall.

    The 14 year old told people about it AT THE TIME

    He DID admit to "dating teens" when he was in his 30s.
     
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    It's common sense. Try thst some time.

    Ask yourself WHY a woman would have an abortion.

    She clearly doesn't want that child. How does someone treat a child they are stuck with? There's enough neglectful parents out there no...why force someone who clearly doesn't want a child (or can't afford it) to be forced to care for that child for EIGHTEEN years?

    If that isn't a recipe for disaster nothing is.

    You ****ers aren't going to take any responsibility for YOUR action (in forcing her to have that child)..that's been made clear
     
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    Lesh, You and I often don't agree, but perhaps we will on this.

    I've known some people in dire circumstances deciding to get an abortion- one a card carrying, bumper-sticker right to lifer, who found herself in the position of those she criticized. Seems that always opens your eyes. There may be some who seek abortion casually, but those I've know weighed the decision heavily and painfully.

    Most importantly- it is a personal decision, one where that individual has to live with the consequences either way.
    I do not have the right to dictate such a critical personal decision for any person when I do not carry the consequences- so I am neutral.
    I would feel that way about most things; if the decision primarily affects the individual- then it is their decision to make. Basis tenant of freedom.

    There are a lot of people who disagree with this- and I believe that if roles were reversed and they found themselves being dictated to by people who had no part in it other than to criticize, they too would be offended at the intrusion.

    As to Roy Moore, the concept of his guilt or innocence lacks anything in the way of respectable evidence. I'm not saying I am for him- but I don't think you convict anyone on allegations that old and unsubstantiated.
     
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    Actually some of us have tried to adopt babies for years.

    But more to the point some people (probably quite a few) are willing to step up and fulfill their responsibilities to the best of their ability whether they wanted to have a baby or not.

    Given that fully half of babies born in the United States annually are unplanned I'm pretty sure THAT is a common sense belief.
     
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    I'm glad we agree on the first part.

    We don't on the last.

    Elections are not always based on legal convictions. Had Wiener NOT been convicted, his political career would have been over.

    Franken has not been convicted and HIS career is over...and in both cases rightfully so.

    There is enough credible evidence that Moore is a Child Molester that it SHOULD disqualify him from holding office. It won't however because Alabama will tell itself that a Child Molester is better than a a Democrat.

    Morality takes a back seat to partisanship
     
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    Unplanned is considerably different than unwanted. I assume you want to end abortion so that YOU have a better chance of adopting. Nice that you would inflict misery on so many mothers and children just so you could get what you want.

    I know several people who have adopted from outside the country and the kids turned out great (although a little browner than you would prefer I imagine). Try it
     
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    And of course you automatically believe people you don't agree with are racists.

    Disgusting on your part.
     
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    Well- then we do disagree. I will never be in favor of a trial by public opinion in the way these events are unfolding- because they are not stating opinions, they are recruiting condemnation. People who are willing to condemn because someone else points a finger are not just or honorable- they are jumping on a "let's get Joe" mob mentality.

    People are entitled to conclude for themselves, but this is trial by here-say that promotes punishment that allows no ability for the victim to defend themselves.

    Let's see some kind of corroboration that is not generic in nature. Some rational reason why you keep your mouth shut for 40 years and then are so deeply offended.
    If we don't require that, we give anyone with animosity a weapon. We also create a way for an opposing politician to be attacked and destroyed by a mercenary- someone who perhaps did know the person at one time, who puts together one of these little stories that can't be verified.... for say, ten or twenty grand. Cheapest campaign tactic for the buck one could imagine,

    Bear in mind- this kind of social persecution could easily expand far beyond sexual misconduct into things you've never considered. The moral fabric of our society is not above things like that, sadly.
     
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    Victimhood huh ? Just let them all be irresponsible and keep on having abortions. Let them go through life and feel the pain knowing they took the life of another human being. What needs to be taught is "you wanna play, then you gotta pay". There are millions of people walking around who are the product of an unwanted pregnancy and are doing just fine. People like you preach selflessness and helping mankind but when it comes to Abortion and womans rights you preach selfishness.
     
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    Are you saying that being pregnant stops a woman from having life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Most people look on bringing a child into the world as a blessing and a wonderful thing. Aborting a life deprives that life of life , liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I guess it is the pursuit of happiness that your having a hard time with. Very selfish attitude.
     
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