About the Holocaust

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  1. BillRM

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    There is no right to speech on a private website beyond what the owners allow.

    Thank god that facebook and twitter an the other major websites are waking up and kicking the haters off their sites.

    Now if they had real guts they would kicked off Trump for constantly breaking their rules of conduct.
     
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    Of which the pictures show neither, it's not that sanitary as say, a modern paint booth.
    The, Zyklon B was dropped through the roof, and the expendable Jews went in after words to clean up.
     
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  3. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did. Seems you can't quite figure out that the claim of jews fighting for hitler is predicated ENTIRELY on the nuremburg laws, which I will also note you completely and utterly ignore when making such idiotic claims. You can't even connect the friggin' dots on that one.

    And as for proving gas chambers existed, I guess I'll just have to believe the literally thousands of SS guards and members who admitted to it. To the confessions and testimony in the tens of thousands of trials that took place after the war.

    Guess you haven't heard the himmler tapes. Or the trent house recordings. Or the Eichmann testimony.

    Where exactly did the million plus jews shipped to the east actually go after they d got to treblinka and sobibor?

    Holocaust deniers are scumbag jew haters and nazi apologists. They rely on pure bullshit "science" from the likes of Rudolph and Leuchter and Campognolo and faurisson, but I suppose that is not surprising since those "authors" have a good handle on the intellectual capacities of their target audiences.

    I get that deniers are big fans of the taste of such intellectual smegma, so there is little hope of being able to actually digest real facts.
     
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  4. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes you aren't the only one, because much to the world's irritation, there is a small number of idiot deniers who refuse to believe anything that contradicts their desire on their lame efforts to rehabilitate the nazis by denying their murderous criminality, while accusing the jews et.al. of perpetrating the biggest hoax in history.

    I see you pulling out the ol' show me a picture of the gas chambers to prove they existed. Seems the nazis weren't actually as dumb as their modern day protectors. Only they would take pictures of them actually mass gassing humans to "memorialize" their crimes. Nah, when the war was looking like it was lost, they wouldn't think of trying to cover up the fact they attempted to exterminate entire ethnicities. There are lots of pictures of the aftermath of the gassings and you can't dismiss the various photos and film of the Einstazgruppen romps in Eastern Europe.

    But of course since deniers have mental and emotional limitations they refuse to accept everything that doesn't conform to their pathetic perspective.

    And by the way, Eichmann was commander of the Central Office for Jewish "Emigration" for the entire Reich. Yep a low level toady if ever there was one.


    Now, cue the, "I"m not an anti-semite, nor a nazi, I'm just somebody searching for the truth" excuse.
     
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    What do you do, just make up what you want to believe.
    Eichmann was head of his gestapo office, had a hand in moving toward gas instead of firing squads.

    He was a high level Nazi
    High enough to where they could ignore Mengle and grab him in Argentina.
     
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    Freedom of Speech only protects you from govt. enforced and ordered censorship.

    private media have the right to censor all they like.
     
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    Sorry its a POE.

    If anyone thinks that the commander of the central office of jewish "emigration" for the ENTIRE REICH wasn't the dude shipping all them jews off to the east, and wasn't involved at the HIGHEST levels in the final solution, they are either ignorant or stupid or both.


    They didn't ignore mengle, they just couldn't find him despite an intense search by a few dedicated nazi hunters. They found Eichmann and they sure as hell weren't gonna let that scumbag get away with it.
     
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    these folks were not Jews, at least not under Nazi or Jewish law.

    only Neo-Nazis who follow the "one-drop" rule, call these people "Jews".
     
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    They actually found Mengle while they were hunting Eichmann.
    He lived close, but they had their job and couldn't compromise it.
    When they went back, he was gone.
     
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    Eichmann admitted to the gas chambers, the millions of Jews killed, years before he was captured by the Israelis.

    he gave an interview to a Neo-Nazi reporter while living in Argentina:


    He admitted to the gas chambers, the shooting pits, the "liquidation camps", Hitler's order to annihilate the Jewish people, the abandonment of the Madagascar Plan, the murder of at least 5 million Jews, the cremations, etc etc.

    He acknowledges all of it, but claims he was only involved in the deportations.

    He regrets nothing, says he was proud to do it.


    interview starts on page 24 and continues on page 101.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=0U0EAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_atb#v=onepage&q&f=false

    here is the 2nd part of the interview, and begins on page 146

    http://books.google.com/books?id=90...er&rview=1&source=gbs_atb#v=onepage&q&f=false
     
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    thanks for info.
     
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    https://www.jta.org/1960/12/01/arch...orded-eichmann-confessions-is-ex-nazi-officer

    In the Life series, Sassen quotes Eichmann as saying, among other things: “If we had killed all the 10,000,000 Jews that Heinrich Himmler’s statisticians originally listed, in 1933, I would say: ‘Good, we have destroyed an enemy.'”

    Robert Servatius, the Cologne attorney who is to defend Adolf Eichmann in the Israel trial slated to start March 6, said today that if the memoirs of the Nazi mass executioner in Life magazine were true, any defense “would be a waste of time.”

    He told the United Press International that if the memoirs were genuine, he would withdraw as defense attorney. He said his hair “stood on end” when he read a section in the articles citing Eichmann as saying he had no regrets for his role in the execution of 6,000,000 European Jews and that even if 10,000,000 had been killed, he would simply have regarded this as destruction of the enemy.
     
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    Oh, how convenient for you. After 3 requests to produce a photo of a genuine homicidal gas chamber, you just remembered that the Nazis blew them all up.

    What typical B.S.

    Did they blow up all the non existent blueprints too?

    EXCERPT:

    • 1). Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.

    • 2). There have been thousands of investigations of alleged Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single person gassed—AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000 MASS GASSINGS!

    • 3). Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also died from typhus.

    • 4). The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946)." CONTINUED(1)

    Additionally, there is no mention of "homicidal gas chambers" in the works of Eisenhower, Churchill or DeGaulle.

    Why?

    In other words you still have absolutely no hard evidence that the hundreds of homicidal gas chambers need to kill millions of people exist or ever existed and the rest is just more puerile slander and easily debunked rubbish that is your stock in trade.


    Cut the bombastic B.S. it's impressing no one, support your assertion and produce a photo of a German homicidal gas chamber or even a genuine blueprint of one.

    Otherwise, the holocaust is no more special or grotesque than any of the other numerous mass killings that have sullied man's history







    (1) “The Problems of Mass Gassing”

    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/was-there-really-a-judaic-holocaust/
     
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    I showed you lots of pictures.
    and cut the BS, the gas chambers came in near the end, at only a few camps, most were shot.
     
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    As I've already stated, Eichmann was a lowly Lieutenant Colonel who was an incurable braggart and desperate to impress any audience, including this shady "Neo-Nazi" who allegedly made the recording.

    I don't doubt that he would have admitted to causing global warming if it would have impressed his interviewer.

    If you'd served in the military, you'd know the limited responsibilities that would be assigned to someone of his rank.

    There's no way that this suspicious interview holds any credibility especially since there is absolutely no hard evidence that any of the claimed "homicidal steam, electrocution or gas chambers" ever existed and only a handful of bodies have been found at the "liquidation camps" (1)


    (1) "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX"
    http://www.nafcash.com/

    EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

    Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept

    THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE

    $100,000.00 REWARD

    For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED
     
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    "Jonsa" said that all the homicidal gas chambers have been destroyed & you just showed multiple pictures of the same room with a wooden & glass door.
    Which is it?

    Homicidal gas chambers using Zyklon B require extensive induction & exhaust systems both to heat the Zyklon B crystals, blow them into the chamber & then exhaust the deadly gas that remains for hours.

    You 2 get your stories straight.
     
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    Get serious.
    They may have destroyed some of them, lots of stuff was destroyed on the way out, not even relating to the camps.
    But lots of camps were liberated with the guards and prisioners intact.
    There are pictures of chambers, some probably still exist.
    And they don't need to be secure as they would be made today.
    Hell, the originals were made entirely of wood.

    what did you think when you went to Treblinka and Auschwitz.
    Did you look closely at the exhibits and remnants.
     
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    you have no evidence to prove that the interview is fake, that Eichmann lied or was pressured/tortured/drugged into his very long story.

    all you got it "waaaaa waa waaa nooo noo noooo its not true!!!!!"


    you also have no evidence that Himmler's speech to the SS, admitting to the destruction/annihilation of the Jewish people is fake.

    you also have no evidence that Hitler's threats to destroy the Jews of Europe, is fake.

    you have no explenation as to why the Wannsee Conference stated that the deportation of the Jews to Poland was only a phase towards the Final Solution, and that strong Jews who survive the work camps would need to be dealt with accordingly, so as to prevent a new army of strong Jews.



    all you got is "noooo noooo noooo its not true!!!!!!"






    in summary, Holocaust denial is ignorant......pathetic....and based not on rational and evidence-based thinking but purely on bigoted rejection of the facts.
     
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    Firstly, I have never denied the holocaust, I.e. that Germany's National Socialists (Nazis) who comprised 5% -10% of Germany's population persecuted, interred, worked and frequently executed many of Germany's Communists, Roma, Jews and other real or perceived enemies of the state.
    I say "frequently executed" because holocaust authority, Arno Mayer, stated that more inmates died of diseases or natural causes than were executed.

    All you've focused on are Jewish casualties as if others don't count.
    However, I simply do not believe the racist notion that the holocaust is any more tragic, special or profound than the other equal or greater mass killings because Jews were among those many who were persecuted.

    The only evidence you've got for the grisly fantasies comprising the standard holocaust narrative are suspiciously obtained ramblings of deranged, confused and frequently tortured old men none of which would be admissible in a legitimate American court of law.

    You mention a fictitious extermination order from Hitler however none has ever been found in the hundreds of tons of documents recovered:

    “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


    Re:
    Why would Hitler want to prevent an army of strong Jews when he already had one:

    “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapok)."CONTINUED
     
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    LOLOL
    Beating a dead horse.
    Don't you know anything about this subject, or is all of your supposed knowledge from troofer sites.
    The answers are still the same no mater how you try to twist it.

    · As Many As 150000 Jews Served In Hitlers Military. These people were not Jews, these people were eligible for immigration to Israel because one of their grandparents was Jewish. This is written in the original work by Rigg. By Nazi law they were not Jews and this is why they were allowed to serve in the army.
     
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    You and "Jonsa" can argue about whether all the homicidal gas chambers were destroyed or not but the fact remains that no blueprint, order or photo of one exists because no homicidal gas chamber ever existed. Of the thousands of autopsies conducted, not one indicated death by gassing.

    I've never been to Treblinka or Auschwitz but I have briefly worked as a medic in a Palestinian refugee camp where I spoke with other people who survived mass executions, destruction of their homes and theft of their land.
    Apparently "Never Again" only applies to a chosen few.

    Engineer Richard Krege, however, spent 3 weeks at Treblinka with a team of researchers and looked very closely at the exhibits & remnants:

    "No Bodies Found at Treblinka"
    http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2014/01/no-bodies-found-at-treblinka.html
     
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    so what do you do, just make it up as you go along.

    You have never been to Aushwitz you say, but you still make these outrageous claims.

    Like the guy in California saying Sandy Hook didn't happen.

    BTW, They didn't do autopsies
     
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    Apparently, you're unaware of the extensive degree to which the Nuremberg Laws complied with & were influenced by the German Zionist Federation who were supportive of Jewish racial purity too.

    Anyway, the Nuremberg race laws were frequently ignored up to the point where Hitler openly declared : "I decide who is a Jew or not."

    Additionally, there were even Jews who were members of the Nazi Party:

    "List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT "Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of Jewish descent."CONTINUED
     
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    LOLOL
    Any so-called Jews that were there, had a grandparent who might be Jewish.

    You really need to learn about this before you make such ridiculous claims.

    so far in your posts, you are doing 100% wrong.
     
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