ABRAHAMIC GOD of the BIBLE, is the Creator

I guess you haven't read the other evidence(s) yet.

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Doesn't apply here. Read the rest of the evidence(s) given so far, then show where there is confirmation bias.

 

The message(s) that God wants to impart will be in His Book.

The following is an excerpt from a long article. I can only post some of it.

https://bible.org/article/how-accurate-bible

 

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"The Bible writers were not inspired as great artists are 'inspired' to produce great art. The word translated 'inspired' means "God-breathed." It conveys the idea of God "breathing out" the Scriptures. Man was the instrument used by God to convey His thoughts in the Bible.

The Bible is not one book, but 66 compiled under one binding. Written over a period of 1,500 years, by about 40 different authors, from all walks of life from varying occupations. Written in three different languages on three different continents during times of peace and times of wartime.

The Bible's authors wrote exactly what God wanted them to write, on hundreds of controversial subjects, yet with absolute harmony from the beginning to the end.

Now think about this, say we interviewed five people of the same nationality, working at the same job, living in the same town, during the same year, and we asked them to speak their mind on just one controversial subject. What are the chances they would all agree?

And yet despite all the differences in the lives of those who penned the scriptures, the bible is absolutely harmonious from beginning to end.

The Bible's remarkable continuity is evidence of its divine origin. This unity is due to the fact that, ultimately, it has one Author—God Himself.



The Bible served as a basis for modern scientific pursuits. Modern science was born in the seventeenth century because of a belief in an unchanging God of order, purpose, and consistency—the God portrayed in the Bible.

It is filled with numerous medical and scientific facts and have been at the forefront of modern day science. When Scientists thought the earth was flat the Bible described the shape of the earth (Isaiah 40:22) and how it is suspended on nothing (Job 26:7). Before oceans were explored the Bible knew of the existing valleys (Psalm 18:15), fountains, and springs down in the depths (Job 38:16). It even mentions the Hydrologic Cycle with great clarity (Ecclesiastes 1:6-7).


It is the only "Spiritual book" that contains fulfilled prophecy. Messianic Prophecy for example foretold us that the Messiah would be born of a Virgin, in Bethlehem, and that He would be rejected by His own people, yet bear their iniquities and save His people from their sin. Which ultimately came to fruition at the cross as Jesus proclaimed, "It is finished.""

- Mark Spence



Now, what other spiritual book as ancient, as varied and with same characteristics, could compare to the Bible?

THERE IS NONE!

 

To make them easier to find and follow .....let me post a recap of the evidence(s) and arguments I'd given so far.


1. The OP (The declaration in the Bible) - post #1

2. Fine-Tuned - post # 6

Cumulative Evidence - post #7

3. Causality: The law of cause and effect post # 34

Reliability of the Bible - post #52, 53, 54

 

4. The CREATOR has intimate knowledge of His Creation: EXPANDING UNIVERSE


Science discovered that the universe is expanding.

http://skyserver.sdss.org/dr1/en/astro/universe/universe.asp




The expanding universe is described in the Bible 17 times, by different prophets, from different time-line.


And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature [was] as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.
Ezekiel 1:22

[It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
- Isaiah 40:22


Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
Isaiah 42:5


Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I [am] the LORD that maketh all [things]; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Isaiah 44:24

I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, [even] my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
Isaiah 45:12

Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: [when] I call unto them, they stand up together.
Isaiah 48:13

And forgettest the LORD thy maker, that hath stretched forth the heavens, and laid the foundations of the earth; and hast feared continually every day because of the fury of the oppressor, as if he were ready to destroy? and where [is] the fury of the oppressor?
Isaiah 51:13


He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.
Jeremiah 10:12

He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding.
Jeremiah 51:15

Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.
Job 9:8

He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, [and] hangeth the earth upon nothing.
Job 26:7


He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness [was] under his feet.
Psalms 18:9

Who coverest [thyself] with light as [with] a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:
Psalms 104:2

Bow thy heavens, O LORD, and come down: touch the mountains, and they shall smoke.
Psalms 144:5

Hast thou with him spread out the sky, [which is] strong, [and] as a molten looking glass?
Job 37:18


He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness [was] under his feet.
2 Samuel 22:10

The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Zechariah 12:1

 

The CREATOR has intimate knowledge of His Creation: STRETCHING UNIVERSE

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/ab...t-is-the-universe-expanding-into-intermediate

http://wmap.gsfc.nasa.gov/site/faq.html



The Bible is accurate when it used the word, "stretch."


The word "stretch," describing the heavens, used 11 times by different prophets, from different timelines.....
........can be taken literally.

How would these ancient men know and write about that?




And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature [was] as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.
Ezekiel 1:22


[It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
- Isaiah 40:22


Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
Isaiah 42:5


Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I [am] the LORD that maketh all [things]; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Isaiah 44:24

I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, [even] my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
Isaiah 45:12



And forgettest the LORD thy maker, that hath stretched forth the heavens, and laid the foundations of the earth; and hast feared continually every day because of the fury of the oppressor, as if he were ready to destroy? and where [is] the fury of the oppressor?
Isaiah 51:13


He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.
Jeremiah 10:12

He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding.
Jeremiah 51:15



He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, [and] hangeth the earth upon nothing.
Job 26:7



Who coverest [thyself] with light as [with] a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:
Psalms 104:2


The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Zechariah 12:1[/QUOTE]

 

I want to change this a bit in thinking lets ask a simple question: Is god as stated in the Bible worthy of human adoration and worship?

Let look at one story the smiting of the world in a great deluge now there were other ways for a moral being to handle that other than wipe out almost all life including minor children how about take Noah someplace safe and guard him with a host of angels then make the evil ones all infertile and shorten their life spans to say Dark Ages levels until the good people multiplied and bad ones died off. Wouldn't that have been a nicer way to handle it than lets slaughter them all and almost all animals who did nothing to sin and almost all plant life which also was harmless. And since god sent ministering angels who starting getting it on with human women god could have (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) smacked them off the planet saving a lot of headaches or better he would have known it would have gone badly sending them so could have not sent them to begin with.

I can do the same with other stories in the Bible the smiting of Sodom and Gomorra, the Exodus and so forth the more moral options which would have gotten the job done.

So it I could have came up with better solutions over ecocide, genocide, mass murder and so forth shouldn't that demonstrate god is in fact not worthy of worship?

 

This thread is not about whether God is worthy of worship. Thanks.

 

What does that prove? I doesn't prove the spiritual content of the Bible is true. The fact that it has historic facts from the time is not unknown.

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All the posts etc you quote assumed the existence of a god. None prove it.

Incidentally what evidence have you of the existence of Abraham. And the words of the Bible prove nothing.

You said that to understand you had to study the times and cultures of the Bible. If the Bible is true, then Abraham never existed as it describes. Facts of History are against it.

 

I have read your posts and they are all the same thing, arguments of correlation implies causation, appeals to authority, circular logic, and confirmation bias.

The entire OP is confirmation bias where you see what you want to see.

 

A Book written by man that at best is man's interpretation of God and at worst a flat out fabricated account of a theological intangible. Quoting Genisis 1 and scientists that talk about the beginning of the universe is not proof of God as correlation does not imply causation.

 

First off thanks for short videos as it sucks when one expects one to sit through a 45 minute video. As for the first video the disciples of Jesus did not sit outside the tomb for the three days before the tomb was opened thus giving rise to other plausible explanations for the empty tomb. The 2nd problem is that for one to believe the story of the resurrection one must believe that the witnesses were objective in their assessment, honest, and that the author that wrote of the event was also objective and honest. For all we know the entire story was fabricated as there is not a shred of scientific evidence to back the claim of the resurrection.

The 2nd speaker seems to believe that observation is a reliable source of evidence gathering when many of today's greatest scientific minds would disagree. There are social experiments online where a group of people all witness the same event but perceive the event in very different ways. This is why today we rely upon the scientific method which relies upon data that can be tested and only if the data returns the same result no matter how many times the experiment is run do we then call it a fact.

In the time of the Bible people probably thought that comets were many things other that what they actualy are. As for the writings on Alaxander The Great, the objective understand that the writings are from individual perspectives that may or may not accurately reflect the man as he actualy was.

 

Unfortunately, there seem to be individuals that believe this God thingy actually came to Earth, grabbed a quill, and sat down to write a damn book. They also seem to accept that every time it was edited, translated, revised, or changed it came back down to direct the guys that did so. While this is difficult to believe...it pales in comparison to believing in the editor to begin with.

 

I disagree if this god is a depraved monster or noble being is indeed relevant since if you read the Bible it clearly has god as both which makes no sense unless its a mentally ill being, which means either the Bible is false or true based on inconsistencies in the book so it might not be accurate. And looking at the character of this being it is indeed not a moral being.

 

If there are several first hand witnesses - all with similar account of events - unless there is motive that they're all lying, why wouldn't their account be valid? That's still practiced today when investigators are gathering facts.


The Apostles abandoned Jesus when He was arrested and crucified! They all went in hiding - in fear that they'll be rounded up and persecuted. How come they suddenly became so full of courage and gungho in spreading the Gospels that they even gladly faced martyrdom?

What's the gain for them to lie about the Resurrection? What's in it for them?


Also, aside from the Apostles, there were several hundreds of people who also saw Jesus Christ alive and well, after His death.

http://factsandfaith.com/the-eyewit...people-saw-jesus-alive-after-his-crucifixion/

 

We're not discussing whether this God is a monster or not.
Furthermore, your reasoning is plainly based on your ignorance of the Bible!


You are deliberately ignoring the arguments and evidences given as to the accuracy of the Bible.

DEAL WITH THOSE given evidences, if you want to disprove the Bible. Don't bring up ignorant opinion!



Again, kindly stick to the topic or I'll put you on ignore.

 

If five people at the bank, unrelated with one another, say Joe Smith robbed the bank, he'd by the main suspect, wouldn't he?
There'll be reasons to charge him unless he's got a good alibi.

Then Joe Smith goes to trial.


More than 500 people witnessed Jesus Christ in the flesh!

Sorry....I cannot entertain any of your assumptions.

I didn't give you any assumptive evidences! Nothing I gave says, "Maybe," "Probably," "Most likely."

I gave you evidences that were confirmed by science as facts!


If you're going to rebutt.....give me facts! And provide something credible to back it up.

 

Surely if the above quote were true then the Gospel writers and Acts - written at the same time and after Paul's letters, would have mentioned such a marvellous happening - but none of them do. How did Paul know about it if no-one else bothered to mention it.

As to evidence. As far as I can see Science is saying there is no proof of a god, just things that COULD be attributed to a god if you want to be religious.

 

What if those 5 people simply told what they witnessed to another guy a year later in a letter, who then sent another letter to a county clerk with instructions to forward it to the judge? Oh...and Joe Smith cannot be shown to even exist.

 

this is called "special pleading"

 

Prove this premise is true first.

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Anti-evolutionists say "You can't create something from nothing. Everything had to have been created by something else."....as a premise for the existence of a "Supreme Creative Being".....

yet turn it around and ask them "Okay....who or what created God"...and they say-

"God wasn't created from anything."....contradicting their own previous argument.

 

The Book of Acts did make reference to the risen Christ. The Book of Acts focus on the acts of the Apostles and the founding of Christianity (spread of the Gospel).


You should know something about the subject if you're going to argue about it.

 

If Joe Smith is named by all five (a year later)....then, Joe Smith would still be the main suspect. There'll be charges laid, and he'll go to trial.

Haven't you heard of cold cases that suddenly got opened up, and solved? Decades later?

 

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/jesus/greenleaf.html


Greenleaf ended up converting to Christianity due to his own findings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Greenleaf


Simon Greenleaf wasn't the first or the last non-believer to set out to try to disprove the Bible.....only to become convinced of his own findings, and eventually converting to Christianity.