Ahmaud was murdered

Ummmmmmmmmmmm, isn't that what trials are for or police departments to find out? A person making a citizen's arrest hands the person arrested over to law enforcement with any evidence they may have and law enforcement then decides where to go from there. It's not up to you to decide if there is enough evidence or not. Since this incident I understand that the citizen's arrest thing has been changed to eliminate taking the law too far. Look, I'm glad these people were found guilty and they deserved to be but your arguments have been nonsense. While I think these people should have been found guilty I really don't believe they were out looking for a black man to shoot that night. They were just way to zealous and prejudiced and bigoted to do what they did and it went south on them to the point where someone was killed and now they have to pay the piper for their racism.

 

Yes he was a member of a "militia"

 

As every able bodied male is according to the Constitution. Other than that, he was not a member of any named militia.

 

So in the video it says white supremacist AND militia groups. Wasn't there speculation Kyle was part of a militia group. The video also shows 2 black people, so is Biden calling them white supremacists too?

 

What do you care about the fringe left, you have no problem with the fringe right, the KKK, white supremacists, Proud Boys, Oath Keeper, etc.

 

The government does not regulate militias anymore, and by that fact, there are none that are legitimate, because the only legitimate militia is one that is run by the government. All of the militias during the time of the ratification of the Constitution were run by the government. They have long since been replaced by the military and their various branches.

The constitution does NOT recognize private militias.

 

The one run by the government is not a militia. You are also wrong that militias during that time were run by government. What you seem to think is that government has somehow replaced the Constitution 'of the people'.

Heck, there used to not be any police. It has always been the responsibility of the people to defend the people. Just because governments have monopolized some things still does not change the Constitution.

 

The videos proved they did not make a citizens arrest.

 

That's incorrect. During the time of the ratification of the Constitution, the state's militias were run by the state governments of their respective states, but after the Constitution was ratified, they were subject to Congressional control, if needed. That was the big argument between the anti-federalists and the federalists.

Clause 15. The Congress shall have Power To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.
Clause 16. The Congress shall have Power To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress.

 

That just gives the power to raise one to Congress. Militias were always around back then. The people provided protection.

 

If you read my statement, you will note that I didn't actually state there was a government militia. Of course there isn't. That wasn't my point.

I merely stated that the only legitimate militia WOULD BE one run by a government, as the government doesn't recognize private militias.

But, since there are no longer states' militias, the issue is moot. They have, in essence, been replaced by the National Guard.

And, during 'that time', they were run by their respective states, as in state governments.

 

They were, indeed, controlled by their respective states.

"The people" excluded blacks and women and children under 18.

Everyone left were required to be in the militia, aka 'the people', hence the language of 2a.

As the years progressed, given they weren't as tightly nit ("well-regulated") as they could be, they were eventually replaced with what we now know as the national guard.

 

That are not used to stop left wing riots. It’s up to the people.

 

the fringe left might have a problem with cops shooting unarmed blacks,
but they don't have a monopoly on riots, 'cause the fringe right has a problem with democracy, they attacked the capitol.

No it's not, it's up to the gov leaders to stop riots, or contain them.

The last thing society needs are a mob of gun nuts brandishing weapons. we had that with Rittenhouse.

 

Government isn’t doing their job. All that’s left are the people. I see you still don’t know what brandishing means.

 

Okay, maybe Rittenhouse didn't actually 'brandish' per the precise definition, but the other point, the SALIENT POINT, remains:

The last thing society needs are a mob of gun nuts brandishing weapons

Note that I mean 'use' 'carry' 'show' not so much 'waving in an aggressive manner' but my meaning is inclusive of brandishing, which is why I used it.

No, it's not up to 'the people'.

 

Well we know Rittenhouse was neither. Sure, many on the left are calling blacks "white supremacist's" why you may ask? Because as Creepy Joe has said, "they ain't black!" Stay tuned for the lawsuits! Perhaps Sandman and Rittenhouse will be the next News Media Giants!

 

Perhaps you can explain that to Antifa and BLM!

 

How can you make a citizen's arrest when you are holding a gun, the arrestee grabs for your gun and winds up being killed? Of course they didn't make a citizen's arrest.

 

From what I understand, you could be holding a gun and if the arrested resists, he is resisting arrest. However, the arrestee better catch him in the criminal act and make damn sure he follows the letter of the law or he is liable in a way, that in my opinion, is not worth the risk! None of those protocols were followed in the Arbory case even though they did not claim a citizens arrest.

 

why ask me?

I do not support antifa. Most BLMers are peaceful.

 

Of course, but the point was that was part of the defendant's argument, no?

 

Oh sure.....the peaceful ones run cover for the destructive ones. BLM = Black lying Marxists!

 

What does that have to do with anything? The guy was shot before he could make the citizen's arrest.

 

As I understand it, at some point, the defendant claimed he was making a citizen's arrest, the video proved that was nonsense.

I don't know what else to say.