Am I a 'Racist' or a 'Realist'?

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Libhater, May 20, 2016.

  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    there are lots of perfectly normal, peaceful black folks.

    but the OP chooses to judge them all as criminals.

    that's called "racism"
     
  2. Daniel Light

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    Racism is simply the end result of lazy people reaching conclusions about individuals based on racist rhetoric rather than
    through individual to individual contact.

    If you have to rationalize your bigotry through graphs and numbers then you are merely rationalizing your bigotry - you're not
    suddenly not a bigot because you think people "deserve it," because someone with their same skin color has been evil.
     
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    Individual contact only goes to micro interactions, racism is a macro level analysis of a group of people. For example I know that I am safer walking in say Lancaster PA then say South Side Chicago, this knowledge although racist, will keep me safer.
     
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    But you admit this is a racist conclusion. The OP is trying to argue that your conclusion would not be racist - just because he rationalized
    his racism.
     
  5. Oxymoron

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    I am not the OP, as I said Racism is just a negative conclusion about a groups of people based on macro data, and racism can change when the groups change. Like for instance I might avoid Mexican neighborhoods in Cali, but not Cuban ones in Miami both are Latino groups but my approach to them is based on their macro behavior.
     
  6. Libhater

    Libhater Well-Known Member

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    I'm anything but rich and I suspect those black families living in my gated community are anything but rich themselves. Middle class
    proletarians better describes theirs and my lot in life. The point missing here is that those criminally afflicted black folk that make up
    the majority of urban blacks need to man up and become productive American citizens who abide by our laws. Don't tell me that this
    perceived white privilege and or this ridiculously perceived white racist attitude of whites in general is preventing these black criminals
    and lowlifes from achieving the American dream. Stop the f*cking whining and man up and become responsible adults.
     
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  8. Libhater

    Libhater Well-Known Member

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    Knowing that you are safer walking in Amish country then say walking in the South Side of Chicago makes you a racist? Wow, what
    are you people drinking? Going back to the OP un momento (that's Spanish lingo meaning one moment) for all you heartless English
    only speaking racist wannabees: So what you're suggesting here is that my knowledge of and experience of walking through a black
    neighborhood frightened for my life to where I have since (60 years later) believe to be a warning sign that bad/corrupt, criminally minded
    people of the black race reside would make me a racist just for thinking about and or revealing my experience? According to your way of
    thinking----anyone who dares speak of their unsavory experiences with another race makes them a racist at heart. Good thinking my man, NOT!!!!
     
  9. PolakPotrafi

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    Blacks today are obviously way less oppressed than Jews were.

    Jews had some nasty events against them too.

    Jews were obviously more oppressed than the majority of Blacks in Africa were.

    Especially Ethiopia, and Liberia which weren't officially colonized, and are poor even by African standards.
     
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    It's unfortunate that you grew up in a poor neighbourhood. Neighbourhoods are formed based on social class that determines the dominant social identity of a neighbourhood. It was frightening to walk through certain deprived areas in South London such as Brixton.

     
  11. DarkSkies

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    The reason why I called it a euphemism is because even though you seem to be ok with the black conservatives living in your gated community, you still used terms like "black crime."

    To me it just seems like a no-brainer to say, "I don't want to be around crime or criminals." There'd be no confusion on where you stood regarding being a 'realist' versus being a 'racist.' It is realistic to not want to live around any crime or any criminals.
     
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    you are much richer then the poor that can't afford to live in those gated comunities

    even Romney and Clinton thought they were not rich....

    if you make more then 250k a year, your rich...

    you make more then 100k a year and your upper middle class rich

    .
     
  13. Ronstar

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    Jews were only seperated from the families when going to the gas chambers.

    other than this, our families remained united.

    yes, if the Holocaust lasted 200 years, we would be VERY different than we are today.

    but it lasted only 12 years, and didn't effect North America, South America, and most of the Middle East and the USSR
     
  14. Libhater

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    I thought I had made it clear that my experiences with crime backed up with the facts pertaining to the majority of serious crimes in our urban areas are exclusively black related. I didn't decide to live in a gated community for the slim chance that a deranged white person might try to rob or kill me. My nightly news highlighting the serious crime(s) in my county tells me to be very vigilant and weary of blacks.
     
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    i live in NYC, and there are enough middle class black folks for me to NOT be weary of all black people.

    i judge people by their clothes, their demeanor, how they act, etc.

    and yes, i have seen some white folks that look like trouble. and hispanics.
     
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    Is that really relevant? At the end of the day, they choose to commit the crime. If we go down this route there can be no criminal responsibility of any sort, as quite literally everything we ever do is controlled by environment outside our control.
     
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    You didn't use facts. You used strong assertions and fantastic anecdotes.

    I'll concede that you are a "realist" and not a "racist", if you can do the following:

    Link/share a link to official data depicting crime statistics in Florida by race/ethnicity. If this data shows black people committing more crime than any other race in Florida by simple counts, then I'll concede. Otherwise, this all seems like a desperate attempt to keep the ideas of white nationalism/supremacism/'realism' alive.
     
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    The OP message is that of a realist.

    There is tremendous racism in lower income black urban neighborhoods.
     
  19. PolakPotrafi

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    But, most of Africa didn't experience mass slavery, or segregation.

    Africa is generally awful.

    How come Africa isn't capable of creating a society like Europeans are?

    Don't say colonization, not only have countries in Europe who were colonized improved their conditions.

    But, countries in Africa who didn't experience colonization like Ethiopia, or Liberia are poor by African standards.

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  20. Libhater

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    I couldn't get the race statistics on the violent crimes in West Palm Beach per se, but I did see that West Palm Beach was the
    most dangerous city to live in Florida--topping Miami.

    But let me leave you with these national statistics highlighting violent black/white crime that should give you an idea
    as to why I chose to live in a gated community just outside the infestation of black crime in the inner city.

    During the 2012/2013 period (the time when I moved to Palm Beach County), blacks committed an average of 560,600
    violent crimes against whites, whereas whites committed only 99,403 such crimes against blacks. This means blacks were
    the attackers in 84.9 percent of the violent crimes involving blacks and whites. This figure is consistent with reports from
    2008, the last year DOJ released similar statistics. Perhaps not coincidentally, that was the year the semi black racist Mr.
    Obama was elected president.

    http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/

    So, far from being that racist people accuse me of being, methinks I'm more like
    the realist I've always been. Libhater Inc.
     
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    Libhater, your posts show no evidence of you being racist at all. You were subjected to the savagery and crime of blacks first hand and made the wise decision to not live with such people.
     
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    Yes indeed PG county Maryland has some of the highest income blacks in the US. It is a majority black county in the richest state in the US. Many black successful people. It also has the most rapes, robberies, murders, car thefts than any other county by far. The houses actually have bars on their windows. Every other county in Maryland considers PG county a (*)(*)(*)(*)hole. And we stay away from there. So based on this instance, you can't blame black crime on poverty.
     
  23. Libhater

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    Thanks for your insightful take on my race narrative here. Sure is good to have someone here who has some common sense.
    And thanks for posting that one below about PG's problem with black crime. It won't be long before folks here start calling you
    a racist simply for presenting the facts. My best to you.
     
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    This statement is such pure and utter bulls**t. Proof? When was the last time you or anyone hear heard 'Libhater' preface or acknowledge in his racist trash talk rants against people of color (blacks in this instance) with "there are 'lots of good people of color' in this world..."? When I ask you?
     
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    In other news:Incumbent mayor of Jupiter,FL gets ousted next election.
    or...slanderous fraudulent poster on Political Forum gets sued.
    Which will it be?
     

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