America Will Own Slaves Again

LMAO, who are you to dictate the course of the conversation.. All I have to do is follow the suggestion in the thread title, so you can go pound sand

"America Will Own Slaves Again"

 

There is no str8 line. There's always ebbs and flows.

Has any group of people been sent to gas chambers recently?
Has that terrible time in history forgotten?
There are no statue idolizing the nazis for that dark time in history.
Why have statues for USA's dark time in history when a group of traitor states fought to leave the union so they could continue to own black people?

History won't forget that. No need to idolize them.

 

Yes, it has happened in Syria just in the last few years. Genocide happens all over the world... Africa, Azerbaijan, etc etc etc. Maybe it wasn't a "gas chamber", but gassing civilians, or lining them up and just shooting them happens all the time. Do you think humans in other parts of the world are a different species? Americans are just as capable of these atrocities as any other part of the world when mob mentality takes over. It allows humans to rationalize away all sorts of horrific things, because "everyone is doing it".

Like I said, we may have become more technologically advanced, but we are really no different than barbarian hordes from 2,000 years ago.

 

The western world is progressed out of those 3rd world religious states.

I doubt the West will enter back into religious rule. Progression will continue.
The world needs to work on 3rd world countries to progress also. Make human rights of all people the goal.

 

Everything is temporary. Eventually it will all collapse, and build back up. I doubt the Roman Empire thought they would ever fall either. I'm sure they considered themselves "progressed" past those savage barbarians, what we would call third world nations. Right up to the point where one of those barbarians took the head off the emperor.

I don't see what religion has to do with anything. People just used religion in the past as an excuse to perform whatever atrocities they wanted. Plenty of groups have committed those atrocities without using religion as an excuse. Genghis Khan, Stalin, Visigoths, Mexican drug cartels.

We live in a bubble of peace and prosperity, and the bubble is going to pop eventually. It's just human nature.

 

Honestly I never heard of it either until I read it the other day. I think it was an idea from the Great Uprising, a book I had to read. Basically it refers to the idea that the prison system is the modern day form of slavery which enables the police to arrest large numbers of people, put them to work as prison labor, and then repeat the cycle due to high recidivism.

 

You are talking gibberish - making up some nonsense definition of slavery that had nothing to do with what was being discussed.

 

Is this thread really still going? The premise is absolutely asinine.

 

Thank you for asking like this, I think it is a good way to ask for more details.

In of itself you have a fair point. Prisonsers can work to get skills to find jobs outside of prison. However several factors make it a modern day form of slavery. It starts with zero tolerance laws from the drug war where people have mandatory minimums for minor drug offenses. The police also monitor and patrol minority communities more, which in turn leads to a decrease in funding for programs to keep kids off the street. Though I like to make the connection to a lack of hope via the education system, it isn’t necessary to do so. This puts people into the prison system where they get paid sometimes literal pennies for their labor. This in turn gives private prison companies strong reasons to have their prisons full of cheap labor. When prisoners finish their sentences they suffer from lack of recidivism reduction systems in place which makes it so people get back into the prison system again. This makes it an effective loop of cheap labor which turns people into criminals for the sole purpose of cheap labor. Hence why it’s called modern day slavery.

 

So is that a Giftedone rule? Well if it is tough titty, your rules don't mean squat

 

Yup, thanks to folks like you

 

If it wasn't slavery what WAS the cause they were fighting over?

The Tariff question had been settled in 1850, and even if it hadn't do you really think several hundred thousand men would have died over that? They could have simply taken up smuggling like the colonists had, that would have been lots easier than running a blockade and fighting a major war all the while.

Slaves constituted the largest single asset base in the United States at the time of the Civil War. There wasn't money enough in the Treasury to have compensated the slave-owners if they abolished slavery. The war wasn't just over slavery, it was necessarily so.

Snarky remarks at the end don't bolster your arguments

 

States rights.

Farm boys from Georgia who had no ties to slavery did not leave their farms and suffer for years to defend the rights of rich slave owners. The heritage of the Confederacy in the South today is about those boys, not the political or social causes of the war.

 

What State's Rights? The only real controversy among the State and the Federal government was over Slavery and the Tariff

Are you saying those "boys" went off to kill each other, abandoned their families and saw their land devastated for no "political or social" cause?

 

The right of their state to leave a union they willing joined. States mattered to their residents a lot more than country back then. It's why Lee left the American Army he had served in for so many years even though he could have commanded it. He could not leads troops against his beloved Virginia.

For the record that spirit is not dead, I'm as much a Texan as a American. ​

The men who fought on the battlefields of the Civil War had grandfathers who fought for the right for self governance when they went to war to leave the British Empire. Are you surprised that they respected and emulated men they personally knew who did that remarkable feat?

 

What rule are you referring to ? No idea what you are talking about but must be some kind of projection mechanism as you were the one making up new rules - riding down some rabbit hole.

 

It is one of modernity's paradoxes that individual soldiers may indeed go off to die in war when they don't even know why they are going, but states are actually more practical than people in this regard. The individual states that seceded wanted to leave the Union because they were convinced that Lincoln would be a tool of the abolitionists who had gotten him the nomination even though he said he would not (and they were probably right, "Honest Abe" was also a consummate politician in the final analysis.)

 

I've studied military history my entire life. The political aspects of any great conflict are deep and varied, going back decades in almost all cases. It is true of the Civil War as well. But my interest is with the combatants not the politicians. My pride as a "Southern Boy" is based on the efforts of so many that were willing to defend their homeland from what they saw as Northern aggression and violations of self governance.

The same reason that James Butler Bonham (pictured here at upper left) heroically gave his life at the Alamo.

 

The bolded part of the above is a non sequitur

 

The movement to make Texas independent from Mexico was largely led by American immigrants, many of whom were slaveowners and one of their major conflicts with the Mexican government that the Mexican government was rather hostile to the practice.

 

You are trying to start a debate with me. I've forgotten more about Tejas history than your will ever know. Go poke at someone else, I'm not biting at your weak bait..

 

No, I'm trying to discuss American history. I should have pointed out that slavery was not at all the only disagreement Mexico had with the Americans there. Texas (Tejas? Texico?) was really settled at least as much by Americans as Mexicans and the movement to make it an independent country in its own right went back to even before Mexico itself was independent from Spain.

If you like Science Fiction, (Science Fantasy really with some AH thrown in) you should read A Spectre Is Haunting Texas, by Fritz Leiber, if you haven't already

 

Well you're the one crying about topic

Stop complaining and do as you say and stay on topic FFS