Americans unhappiest they have been in 50 years.

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  1. BasicHumanUnit2

    BasicHumanUnit2 Well-Known Member

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    Post your evidence please......or this is slandering "Most" Right Wingers

    I will state right now you have no evidence to state this.
    in fact, the recent protests might prove the exact opposite.
     
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    Why are you so obsessed with the rich? Why aren't you angry with the government?

    Sounds like you're conservative or you're in favor for a smaller government.
     
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    If you want to incentivize overall increases in tax revenues that is EXACTLY what you do.

    Unfortunately, many people think they are right simply becuase the emotions fit.

    When leftist government entities increase taxes, business flees to friendlier states.
    And at the same time, people will find 10,000 more ways to totally avoid taxation.

    FAIR taxation results in greater collected taxes.

    it is precisely why 3 million have fled NY for Florida. NY is facing unprecedented loss in tax revenues.
    Pensions are at risk. And what do they do to try to resolve the issue? You guessed it...RAISE TAXES and FEES.

    So many fail Economics 101 it is pathetic.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the right promises us that tax cuts for the rich will trickle down.. when the public complains it has not happened, republicans say it's the poors fault?
     
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    Yeah everyone forgot to cut spending.

    Think about it like this, if you're in $65,000 debt to credit cards, uo it is 65k for student loans and you can't make the minimum payments, do you think I'll buy a $250,000 car? Or do you cut your spending?
     
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    Fine and dandy, until the employer realizes he/she/it must lay people off to afford the added wages for whoever they do keep. Leftists never, ever get that part, saying just tighten the belt and pay it, no problem...until the company goes under.

    Start with disallowing deductions to the Democrat Party. Defund those supporting the criminals.
     
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    cutting tax on the mega corps when the debt is climbing was stupid
    want to pay off the debt, reduce foreign outsourcing and foreign import and raise the taxes back up on the rich and give that same tax cut to the middle class
     
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    Right that means Republicans aren't really right-wing are they?

    A idea reasonable idea is to cut spending. A real conservative would be fiscally conservative would they not?

    If you are spending like crazy what are you conserving?
     
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    I think all corps and people should only be able to donate $2500 - no more than that - we need to keep the rich from buying Republicans

    if the employer can't handle it, someone will replace them that can

    every min wage increase the right has always fear mongered that, guess what, what the right has been doing is not working or we would not be so far in debt
     
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    Entitlement minded people ALWAYS complain.

    Broward County has over 100,000 LOW rent (but luxury, with marble kitchens and saunas) section 8 housing projects that in many cases are built like expensive homes. MOST working class people in broward can't afford their luxury lifestyles. Many have 2 and 3 car garages !

    They get destroyed repeatedly and the Cities get federal grants to rebuild.

    So don't talk that nonsense about poor people not getting trickle down. They sure as hell do and I pay for it !!
     
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    If you missed my point by any wider margin, you'd be on Saturn. The greedy left NEVER wants to step up and be first. From them it's gimme, gimme, you're racist if I can't get my way....and Mom, where's my fricking sandwich? Don't make me come out of the basement!
     
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    texting them to the point where they leave your country is far more stupid.
    It sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it too. You can't reduce foreign outsourcing if nobody in your country produces certain things. Unless you just want to eliminate those certain things from the market. The way to reduce outsourcing is to offer tax incentives for people to stay.

    If someone can make more money overseas what's stopping them from going there? Higher taxes I don't think so.

    Heavy tax burdens and red tape causes outsourcing.
     
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    raise imports costs for them to sell to Americans... problem solved

    see, the right doesn't get it, we do not need to cater to unpatriotic corporations that do not care about the America people

    time to force corps to bring the jobs home, make it cost more to outsource American jobs
     
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    no politician is ever going to promote that because other politicians want the money, and they know how to manipulate voters. So the person you need to blame for this and not being the law is yourself. For not voting on a politician supports that idea.
    so the minimum wage has increased and never once has decreased correct? Are things getting better?
     
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    ah, yeah, that is the way it works, it will always go up, did you think when the economy did well that meant you could pay your employees less?

    the problem is the min wage has not kept up with inflation
     
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    what are you talking about, I want all the rich to give up their mega tax cuts the right gave them... regardless of party

    they have not trickled down, that was the point of giving them the tax cuts, the right told us - trickle down economics has been a failure

    time to try trickle up economics - I believe if the people have money, the corps create jobs to get that money

    but we have to limit foreign outsourcing and foreign imports or corps just create the jobs in other countries like India and China
     
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    Two separate questions that need to be asked: Are things in America really that worse off compared to how they were before; and second, what are the actual causes of this?

    Both those questions will likely be very controversial.

    The way I see things, there has been a trend going on over the last 15 or 20 years (maybe longer). This didn't happen all at once. But it has mostly been ignored.
    Maybe there will come a time when a "breaking point" is reached, and the problems cannot be ignored any longer?
    I don't know.

    And part of this, I feel, people are completely detached from reality, and only believe whatever the media tells them to.
    That is, if the media is telling them everything is wonderful, people won't complain and act like everything is okay; or conversely, if things are actually fine overall but the media is telling them everything is terrible, they will feel like the world is ending. A complete divorce between perceptions and reality.
    Reality always has some good and bad and can be seen from different perspectives. Hard to say whether there had really been a shift.

    To make this even more complicated, some of this societal unhappiness might actually have very little to do with economics, and have to do with the coronavirus shutdown.
     
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    Republicans and Democrats alike to attend staged that one Donald Trump did that.

    Tariffs on China what's something Donald Trump implemented so you support Donald Trump in that decision?

    if not you're suffering from cognitive dissonance.
    I think you're just wearing Rose colored glasses.

    there is no such thing as a patriotic corporation or business they're in business to make money not to be Patriots. If you can't make money doing the business you're doing then you aren't doing business very long.
    so what stops them from just closing their doors to American markets entirely?

    Donald Trump tried to make it cost more to outsource everyone lost their ****. If you support bringing businesses back to America you should support Donald Trump. That's what he meant by make America great again.

    You should also support producing our own oil, those are a fantastic jobs and the petrochemical industry represents 8% of our gross domestic product.

    The people against America having more business here is it the left Elon musk had to flee California because of their government regulations and red tape. Luckily for him Texas Nevada States like that have less of that.

    So the idea is to be less like California and New York and more like Texas or Nevada.

    You have to vote against the left if you really believe what you're saying.
     
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    I’m happy.
     
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    then they leave the country and you have nothing.

    Your ideas have been tried look at Detroit. Ford motor company could produce cars cheaper and other places so they went to those other places because business is out of money.
    but what you're proposing is dumber than that. You're saying remove all incentive for businesses to stay here, incentives like tax cuts. When you remove those incentives they don't set up shop in your country or state.

    Look at Amazon in New York City. they refused to give them the incentive New York City missed out on 25000 jobs.

    The reason why is because somewhere else offered them incentives.
    that's going to lead to everyone else for sale we've seen that tried before. That's why corporations outsource.
    You cannot do that by increasing costs of doing business in the US that's the reason why there is an outsourcing problem today. You either have to lower costs to do business in the United States what's the government has to take over corporations. We've seen the ladder fail over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again oftentimes leading to Mass die-offs due to famine.

    If you believe what you're saying you need to vote for Trump. He's the only one in my lifetime that has done anything about this.
     
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    you didn't answer my question. it's okay that's probably because it devastates your entire position.

    So in my lifetime I've seen minimum wage raise almost 50%. In that same time I've seen tuition explode, housing costs soar, various goods go way up in price.

    So raising the minimum wage doesn't work.

    if you raise the minimum wage to $15 you have to charge people more for the products you sell or the service you do that pay the extra money to the employees. So yeah maybe I got $7.25 an hour but I went from having to pay $85 a week for groceries to $250 a week for groceries.

    it's not any better but the numbers are bigger so that makes us feel good.

    Your solution is poor doesn't fix anything we can see for ourselves it has made it worse.
    I don't don't you understand this basic principle of economics.

    When you have more of something such as dollars the supply increases and the value goes down.

    So if you have $1,000 those thousand dollars are probably worth a lot more to you that if you had $10,000.

    I can't believe you don't understand the absolute simplest part of economics.
     
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    Well, that's sad. :(
     
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    when was the last big min wage increase of 50% that you saw?

    the problem is the min wage has not kept up with inflation

    we were doing good until Bush Jr and now Trump setting us back again
     
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    Bottom line - will the average voter think they are better off in 2020 than they were in 2015?
    If the current economy does not vastly improve (not talking stock market) by Election Day, it
    will be difficult for incumbents to get reelected.
     
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    the great thing about capitalism is that if these unpatriotic companies do not want to sell to Americans, another American will take their place and create jobs

    don't believe that corporations are too big to fail... they can fail and someone can replace them - if they want to turn their backs on the American people, we will replace them

    Corporatism is trying to destroy Capitalism
     
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