...And Yes, Barack Obama is a Marxist

blah blah blah....

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVT8YjJoAUU"]Obama 5 Days Away from Fundamentally Transforming America - YouTube[/ame]

 

Yup. The forum Obama haters are having a field day showing what little sense they have. So far, they have yet to offer a shred of evidence for their delusional claims. But their comments are laughable and bespeak of a high degree of hate filled paranoia.

 

Nope, Theres 400 posts worth of proof in this thread.

If Obama didnt lie so much, more people might believe him....

 

Uh, its been over 50 pages and not one of you have been able to define marxism or provide examples making obama one. You run away from every challenge. We both know why

 

No, You keep deflecting the facts and constantly demand definitions, when its pretty obvious to everyone, Obama is a commie.

 

Sure, Like Im supposed to believe Obama and pals arent commies....

 

No.
People are totally uninformed in regard to the terms they throw aroiund like Capitalism, Marxism, Communism, Free Enterprise, Merchantilism, etc.

First, you people must understand that there are a dozen different ways that an economy can distribute the Goods and Services it produces.

Second, these are all part of the Demand Side of the economic system.
They are unrelated to the seven different ways a government can control that economy.

For instance, a Dictator like Mao in the Chinese government ruled over people who worked in an economy that was Communistic.
But today, an Oligarcy performs this same task there now.

Third, none of these 12 Systems of Distribution works totally alone, but one or two (or even more) may be distributing the Goods and Services all at the same time.

The complaint against Obama, (that he is Marxist), is justified because he is strongly emphasizing Union power, which makes the members of Unions a form of distribution which is called Syndicatism.
But Obama is also pro-Socialism in that he believes a level playing field in America requires that $250,000 is enough for anyone to earn, he he intends to slowly see that taxes make this a reality.

By this means he intends to use the excess profits from production to pay for social programs he will direct and regulate.

At the same time, he recognizes that Capitalism is essential to gathering together the resources needed for new projects, like the Electric Automobile or Solar Power.
So Obama has colected that capital and gardners a certain amount of control over the Banking System such that the government is becoming The Capitaist.


This not too foreign to what China has already done.

The only difference is that Obama is doing it as president elected in a Democracy, while the Oligarcy in China is not elected but selected.

 

See what I mean?

Obama can not be a commie.

Communism is a System of Distribution, one of 12 possible economic Systems of Distribution.

Obama is a Political Force, one of the 7 types of Political Forces available to ruling a Nation.

At the present moment, Obama is the President in one of the 7 types of Political Systems.
He rules in a Democracy which does not allow him the opportunity to move quickly and unilaterally towards the goals he strives to interject into the Economic System.


For ilustration, our Generals used to rule over the Military which was communistic, though.
Each soldier was employed according to his ability and paid in accordance with his needs, which was very little before the New Army of today.

Today, the Military is Marxists.
The military is like a closed nshop that slls Defense to America.
Peopleust apply and be allowed to join.
They are assigned Rank and File.

They are are paid in accord with the merit of the services they can contribute to the collective operations of the "machine."
They can and do demand more collectively and in one voice, as we saw in "Don't ask, don't tell."

The US Health Care Program is Socialistic because it will be paid for with other people's money, it will be mandatory, and a service available to all.

This is different than, say, the Postal Service.

Though the Postal Service is funded by the government, people do not have to use it, nor pay the expenses for it, which are anticipated to come back to the government from the profitable operation of that service.

The PO service is not Socialism, (as Bill Maher argues it is.
It is the use of public Capital to underright the start up operations and lend operating capital which is expected to be returned along with the benefits of the services once useful to us all.

 

So reagan who said the same and actually did what obama only talks about was a "commie" ?

 

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okHGCz6xxiw"]Margaret Thatcher on Socialism - YouTube[/ame]

 

See what I mean? You ran away again. Its ok, we both know why

 

WTF??

dudes a straight up Mao loving communist.

He even decorates the White House Christmas tree with communists.

 

You're not fooling anyone

 

Libya did not get invaded under the Republican watch. This and Mussolini's big government with unrestricted powers, and by your analogy, there's a blend of fascism on both sides.

 

Here... Refute all of these...

Im timing you...

 

Lets go... tap tap tap....

 

A government job is better than no job at all.

 

I read a good op ed today titled "If Obama's Past Isn't A Concern, Why Cover It Up?" it brings up some excellent points. It is something that should have been brought up back in 2008 but I can only hope that most of America starts asking this question this summer.


http://news.investors.com/article/6...entary-designed-to-shield-obama-from-past.htm

 

At least when your country goes bankrupt the money still went to its citizens healthcare.

Look at americans they are going bankrupt too.
Americans are dumb they call spending healthcare for their own socialism yet they socialize healthcare and defense for other countries then label it patriotism hahahaha

 

At least when your country goes bankrupt the money still went to its citizens healthcare.

Look at americans they are going bankrupt too.
Americans are dumb they call spending healthcare for their own socialism yet they socialize healthcare and defense for other countries then label it patriotism hahahaha

 

That response isn't simple; it's simplistic.

Some actions wrt defense aren't socialism, they are interventist prevention.

The policy may be misguided, but that doesn't mean it's socialism; that's a stupid simplistic statement.

Government mandated health care is - no matter how you slice - it Socialistic.

 

No, no, no, no, no, no, no it isn't!! If you mandate that they buy health care from PRIVATE providers of health care, it objectively IS NOT!! It is no more socialism than military interventionism is!!


I wonder how many times that retarded nonsense can be peddled in this thread, then refuted, and then repeated. When evidence and logic stop having the ability to convince an entire section of the American public, it is a really bad sign!! It seems as if that is the case for the modern American right, or at least the evidence this forum provides makes it seem that way.

 

Whats so complicated about that? Anything a government spends on is considered socialized.
You cant blame socialism just for healthcare and disregard the socialism going on in defense.

Lets make it even more simple.
Socialized healthcare is billions for americans.
Socialized defense is billions for none americans.

If you have a problem with government mandated healthcare did they ask you when they mandate a war on another country?

 

Explain this to frodly. He doesn't seem to understand.