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Andrew Yang: The entire socialism-capitalism dichotomy is out of date

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  1. danielpalos

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    it means, we should promote the general welfare at every opportunity.
     
    danielpalos, Apr 10, 2019
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    Maybe. And it doesn't grant any powers to the general government.
     
    Longshot, Apr 10, 2019
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    there is no express term to promote the common defense as there is for the general welfare.
     
    danielpalos, Apr 10, 2019
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    there is no grant of power whatsoever.
     
    Longshot, Apr 10, 2019
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    So nobody would pay more under a universal health system?
     
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    Bots?
     
    chris155au, Apr 10, 2019
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    Longshot, Apr 10, 2019
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  8. danielpalos

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    you miss the point. the Preamble must mean something and have some influence upon our use of our Constitution.

    We should be "raising money for the general welfare".
     
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    Yes, and it grants no power.
     
    Longshot, Apr 10, 2019
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    the term, to promote the general welfare does not mean to promote the common offense or general warfare.
     
    danielpalos, Apr 10, 2019
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    the preamble grants no power to the general government.
     
    Longshot, Apr 10, 2019
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    means nothing.

    to promote and provide for the general welfare is in our Constitution.
     
    danielpalos, Apr 10, 2019
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    Can you cite the language in the preamble granting the general government such power?
     
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    it seems like the Intent and Purpose for our Use of socialism.

     
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    That doesn't grant the general government any powers.
     
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    it tells us what our Constitution is for.
     
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    So we agree that it grants the general government no powers?
     
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    disingenuous of the right wing.

    Are you sure the preamble declares nothing about the powers delegated in our Constitution?
     
    danielpalos, Apr 10, 2019
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    I'm open to learning. Where does the preamble give the general government any powers. Please point out the text.
     
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    it must mean something and have some influence.
     
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    I don't see any grant of power in the preamble. Can you point to the language?
     
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    provide for the common defense is not a delegation of any power?
     
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    No, that's not a grant of power. It's a phrase.
     
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    to provide for the common defense. it must mean something in relation to our Constitution.

    special pleading in this case is merely appealing to ignorance.

    The preamble provides guidance, whenever we have to quibble with the right wing.
     
    danielpalos, Apr 10, 2019
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    Okay, so please go ahead and cite the language in the preamble that gives the general government such power.
     
    Longshot, Apr 10, 2019
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