Angela Merkel Lectured Trump On Global Warming, Now Germany Abandoning Its Climate Goal.....

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  1. vman12

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    When the other countries catch up to the US, let us know.
     
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    You leave out the part where America was going to pay third world countries not to produce carbon and pay for any natural disasters countries suffered that were attributed to global warming.
     
  3. Josephwalker

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    Actually the word is undetermined which means no man made cause can be found just as in global warming. If there is global warming the cause is undetermined.
     
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    You don't understand the different levels of trends. If you have ever looked at stocks the stocks may have fallen a bit today, but over the week they were mostly flat, but over the month they rose modestly, and over the year the rose a lot, etc. Large temperature trends over hundreds of thousands of years is where we see the ice ages but these trends move very very slowly. Over these large trends are a bunch of short-term trends and variations and these can happen over hundreds to a few thousand years. There are even larger trends over hundreds of millions of years where these ice ages are just blips in the graph.

    Now I am curious why you are trying to explain short-term warming with a large slow trend explanation and what evidence do you have for your claim. You don't seem to even have the basic knowledge of climate science to know what drives these ice ages so how do you even consider yourself smarter than the climate scientists?
     
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    But the amount of payment is entirely voluntary and under Obama we promised to pay 3 billion which is a tiny percent of our GDP but only paid 1 billion. These payments help developing countries move off of CO2.
    https://www.factcheck.org/2017/05/trump-paris-agreement/
     
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    Exactly, the cause is undetermined until evidence of the cause is found. Now what do you think is the cause? How do we go about finding what the cause likely is.
     
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    Actually we are one of the top CO2 emitters per person so we have the most room for improvement.
     
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    Sure there is. I don't buy the more extreme predictions about the consequences, but certainly countries like Bangladesh will become humanitarian disasters over the course of this century.

    The horror of affairs is that those countries least effected by climate change are those that contribute the most to it. It doesn't take an educated game theorist to predict the outcome.

    The problem will continue, and it's not because American right-wingers are so inclined to plug their ears. The deeper fundamentals are what drive history.
     
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    And near the bottom in overall pollution.
     
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    But this isn't about pollution, its about CO2.
     
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    Guess what the most common element in pollution is.
     
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    Gosh have you noticed the heat waves going on in the East of the USA? I know somebody will tell me the deep snow is actually not cold, but warming.

    Then they need to explain snows in the Sahara not seen in 40 years. I guess the Desert could not stand cold so has snow in Algeria.
     
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    A heavy trace gas located primarily in the ocean and at the level of plants. Plants should fare very well with more trace gas like Carbon Dioxide.
     
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    The warming and coolind
    The key to dealing with climate change - either natural or man-made - is to adapt

    The complaintbis rising salt levels in the rice paddies and that can be fixed by growing new varities of rice

    Which interestingly enough may involve the use of GMO’s
     
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    The scientific genius’ on the supreme court ruled that CO2 is a polluntant

    Which was the dumbest unscientific decision since the Catholic Church declared that the earth was flat
     
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    Cause is what it's always been which is natural events until proven otherwise
     
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    Why should we pay other countries to move off C02? You keep saying everything in the climate deal was voluntary. If the deal is unenforceable then what's the point in signing it? Everybody just do on their own what they volunteer to do. What a sham this whole thing was. I'm glad we are out.
     
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    Nothing unprecedented about the rate of increase.
     
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    Actually, the US has done more to cut emissions of green house gases, than any other country.
     
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    Cause is what cause is. Proven or unproven.

    What we understand that cause to be, may be proven to others.
     
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    Good luck. Nothing so far but correlation is causation and even that fails as over the last decade C02 from man has risen exponentially while temperature rise has "paused" as warmers put it.
     
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    Sort off.... but not really.
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    And forest fires started by humans aren't necessarily any bigger than those started by nature. But that doesn't mean humans don't start forest fires.
     
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    Poor countries that are trying to develop sacrifice a lot to cut down on CO2 especially when their CO2 emissions per capita is much lower than the US. And we don't pay them that much and its entirely voluntary.
     
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    Wrong, the cause is undetermined until one is proven. You don't know what the cause is until you know.
     

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