Another lying snake comes out from under her rock

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by logical1, Sep 16, 2018.

  1. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You really do thrash around.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Quit accusing me of what you are doing. I am not the one spewing fallacy in every post and accusing you of saying things you did not say.

    That would be you :)
     
  3. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have drug this out and thrashed about endlessly. I have had only one and one only point from the beginning. I will say it again. There are many points where we could say life begins. There is no consensus on that point.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That was my initial point. Experts disagree. Did you have anything else to contribute ?
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've got a couple years on you. So what? Drunken kids make very poor witnesses.
     
  6. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    However, I didn't imply or allege that rumors about Ford being the class slut had any veracity, because i don't see anything that supports them.
    That would have been "piffle".

    This isn't just double standard, it's political low-ball and sabotage by people without honor or scruples. If Ford doesn't know she is part of it and is serving only as a pawn for that purpose, she's not near as smart as it would seem from her educational record.
     
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    So, you have already made up your mind, without giving Ford the benefit to present her testimony & using your experience to discredit hers!
    My take on its she took a lie detector test & passed & look forward to hearing her testimony--
    Also,what's the hurry, there is no time limit on holding the vote for a nomination for Supreme Court,as we all know by McConnell holding open the nomination for a "year" when OBAMA nominated Garland,right?
    But, you saying" men have to be psychic to figure out between what a woman says & what she wants" is what I call sexist & plain piffle----
     
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    Daggdag Well-Known Member

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    Many rapes and sexual assaults go unreported because the victim is either ashamed, or in fear of reprisals or future attacks.
     
  10. spiritgide

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    You know very well what's going on here. The dems need to derail or delay the confirmation to influence the mid-terms. Delay alone would be a significant victory, and they are totally willing to abandon morality and scruples to do this- which has become something far more common than not.

    Kavanaugh has impeccable credentials and qualifications, perhaps as good as any nominee for the court in the last century. He has played it up-front all the way, has had his background checked over 6 times by the FBI in the past as he came up the ladder into federal posts, and nobody- nobody other than Ford has had a single bone to pick, and she has zero in terms of corroboration or supporting evidence, can't even recall the where or when. In addition- Kavanaugh has put up with a great deal of pure crap from people whose questioning certainly had nothing to do with finding out if he was qualified. THEY should be the ones we seek to reject, they are violating their congressional oath of office every day- not to mention human decency.

    The comment about men having to be psychic is hardly an opinion. At least in my generation a woman who is interested in a man has been, by social practice, had to be extremely cautious about expressing that directly. Instead, we have this hinting, flirting, but not openly committing. It's like not wanting to be responsible for initiating what you actually want to happen, so you manipulate the situation to draw the boy into it. That is less so today as girls have become more aggressive, but it's been the historical norm and no doubt was true 35 years ago.

    Ford was somewhere around 15 when the alleged incident took place. That is just about the age where a girl often becomes highly motivated to be thought of as a woman- and many men can tell you how aggressive girls that age can become while simultaneously rejecting any responsibility for it. Many a teen boy has walked away from an underage girl eager to go too far, and even been berated for doing so. I know, I found that necessary a few times in high school myself.

    And- she took a lie detector test. Check with an expert- they do not call it a lie detector, that is a media name. People don't pass or fail, there are either "indications" or not- and as to what, it depends highly on the questions. If you want to cheat one, there are simple guidebooks on how to do it, and it is not difficult at all. I would imagine that the "test' was administered specifically to be used to validate the claim, which would make it more questionable. I don't think her claim is true- but if it is, she is the one making it look like a political smear. I don't think she is stupid enough to do that by accident.
     
  11. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because of liars like Ford.
     
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    The lord of the liars is your standard bearer and you carry water for this pathological liar 24/7. Why is that?
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OTOH it is apparent that you and all democrats have already judged Kavanaugh guilty of copping a feel back in 1982 or sometime there abouts since Ford cant remember much and dont want to be pinned down in her huge lie.
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hillary is NOT my standard bearer!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Trump has lied more than anyone in public office ever and only another liar would not admit that. Kavanaugh has lied under oath to Congress and that is reason enough to kick his ugly butt to the curb.
     
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    The dems won't show the unredacted letter. I am willing to bet, what that letter says is "Kavanaugh was at that party but I can't swear he was the one that attacked me. "
    Or something along those lines. It's clear the dems are having a very hard time getting her to show up for a hearing. There is something fishy here and the unredacted letter must be shown.
     
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    And then there are cases like the Duke Lacrosse team, Tawana Brawley, Nikki Yovino, and many, many others...
     
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    JusticeOne Active Member Past Donor

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    The lie detector question could have been simple as "did something happen?"
     
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    THE PRIME ISSUE HERE-

    Is that anytime a sexual misconduct charge is spoken publicly, as this one was, the accused person's reputation is forever tainted; there will always be people either believing it, talking about it anytime that person's name comes up, tending to believe, or never trusting the person. This is damage that is irreversible, regardless of facts determined later. It happens before any investigation, any proof, any real knowledge of details other than the accusation are known. It is a harm that can't be undone, yet can be accomplished with nothing more than a verbal accusation, that could well be total fabrication. Feinstein and Ford have committed an act of slander and character assassination, regardless of the actual events alleged to happen- and the damage is done not only to Judge Kavanaugh and his family, but to the entire nation. It is a deep shame on the US Congress that any member would stoop to such low and unscrupulous conduct, and that the other members would not immediately condemn it.

    This is not to say such an accusation should not be investigated- but that comes BEFORE public accusations, particularly when the publicity that will spread like wildfire with the eager assistance of those who wish to use it as a political weapon. You file a charge of criminal conduct with the police or district attorney- not with the news media. It is obvious that harm, not justice, is the motivation here. Unfortunately, justice would be a consequence falling on those who chose to do harm rather than their victim, and that probably won't happen. The harm to Kavanaugh and our system is already done and can't be removed, any more than the church bell can be un-rung.

    The very act of approaching any call for justice in this way speaks to the character of those promoting it, and that person is obviously Diane Feinstein- a member of congress, who most certainly understands exactly what she is doing, and is willing to sacrifice the good name of others for a political score. She's not sacrificing her own, as that is long since ceased to exist, if it ever did. The accusing words of these people are hot air slandering Kavanaugh- but their actions are speaking true and ugly things about them, and the people should be listening to those actions.
     
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    So my generation invented sex for fun? My lord, you might want to get your grandma drunk one day and ask her about sex in the olden days.....
     
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    Sex for fun, no strings attached and not even knowing the name of the person you are having whoopie with. Remember the 60's ?
     
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    When it comes to the Duke Lacrosse team, it was never proven that she was lying, or that they didn't rape her, there was simply no direct physical evidence that proved that any particular members of the team raped her.
     
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    What?

    The initial prosecutor in the case, Mike Nifong, was disbarred and jailed for "dishonesty, fraud, deceit and misrepresentation".

    It was proved she completely fabricated the story. One of her alledged rapists was filmed at an ATM at the time the stripper claimed he was raping her.

    Dang, you didn't do Ford any favors on this one.
     
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    People been having sex for fun for eons.
     
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    Actually I think she ultimately admitted that they hadn't raped her. I don't remember for sure but it seems to me definitive proof finally came out about that.
     

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