Another useless Middle East War???????

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  1. Ddyad

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    Time to take that back. Right?
     
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    Again that's your problem not mine.
     
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    Which is why the Democrats are praying for war with Iran.

    The Democrats praying for war and economic ruination, because it's the only way they can retake power.

    The absolute state of the Democrats.
     
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    If it matters to you then vote for someone else.
     
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    The cash was money that belonged to the people of Iran. It was frozen in ‘79 during the hostage crisis and never returned until 2015 without interest. But I am sure you knew that.
     
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    Reported for personal attack. Don't do it again.
     
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    I didn't vote for the clown in charge for just that reason but now I have to listen to it everyday and wonder why people, like yourself, defend it. What kind of credibility does that give you?
    As far as his actions go, I defer to the editors of The WSJ
    "“The great weakness of Donald Trump’s foreign policy is its volatility. He is unpredictable to a fault. He has doubted his own Venezuela policy from the first week he signed off on it. He called Kim Jong Un crazy but now says he’s a swell guy. He signed a trade deal with Mexico then threatened it with new tariffs,” they accused. “On Iran he has adopted a policy goal favored by hawkish Sen. Lindsey Graham but wants to use only the means of isolationist Sen. Rand Paul to achieve it. He warned that ‘if Iran wants to fight, that will be the official end of Iran,’ but he lets Iran shoot down a drone and interfere with international shipping.”
     
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    You're the one that made a claim and when asked to show proof deferred not to because "that's not my problem". That in turn means that you can make any claim you want without having to back it up which goes against the point of the forum.
     
  9. HumbledPi

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    Indicting and prosecuting are two entirely different things.
     
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    LOL, nothing like giving them pallets of cash eh? Had to send cash because of the sanctions against Iran.
     
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    Prosecutors indict. Try and keep up.
     
  12. HumbledPi

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    The United States said the drone had been over international waters, while Iran said the drone had violated Iranian airspace. One thing to keep under consideration, Iran has recovered portions of the unmanned drone. It could only have been recovered if it was over Iran's airspace.

    Zavad Zarif, Iran's Foreign Minister has posted this image on Twitter.
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    The White House claimed that its drone was at least 20 miles from Iran, in international airspace, while Iran maintains the drone was in Iranian airspace. Iran presented GPS coordinates showing the drone eight miles from Iran’s coast, which is inside the area of 12 nautical miles that is considered Iran’s territorial waters under the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea.

    Iran has the legal right to control its own airspace. The United States has no lawful claim of self-defense that would justify a military attack on Iran. Both the U.S. and Iran are parties to the Chicago Convention on International Civil Aviation, which provides “that every State has complete and exclusive sovereignty over the airspace above its territory.”

    Iran’s sovereignty over its airspace includes the right to shoot down an unmanned drone present without consent. “Although there is no black letter law on the question, state practice suggests that a state can use force against unmanned drones that have entered its airspace without consent,” Any unidentified drone” which flew that close to the U.S. “would most likely be shot down.

    Like it or not, anyone that still denies that the US spies on just about every adversary and ally in the world is denying fact. If the US spy plane was actually in international water, we haven't seen any images with coordinates yet, we've only seen a red dot where the US says it was.
     
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    Because after Iran falls, only Russia and China are left on the global chessboard.
    After those two, history will mark the event when the American empire has total control over the globe and a new age will begin. A NWO.

    Only in your mind Iran and Afghanistan was useless. Useless for the average American, yes.
     
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    Just so you know, the prosecutors that worked on the Mueller investigation presented evidence to a Grand Jury, and it was the GRAND JURY, not the prosecutor that handed down all indictments.

    Try to keep up, will you?
     
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    What do you imagine the reaction will be from Russia and China which are both allies to Iran, if the US started military strikes on Iran's planes with human lives at stake?

    I believe the US got caught red-handed spying and within Iran's boundary. If that was the case, could the US admit that we had a spy plane flying over Iran's territory? No, of course not so what's the option. Claim that the plane was flying over international water that's the only option.
     
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    No, I wouldnt take it back, I dont believe any of the JEWISH media. They own it all and the "HELP THE MOTHERLAND" thesis is strong and alive. I do NOT know that Iran bombed ships, or blew down the drone over international waters. We have steadily told our own people lie after lie under the guise of a GREAT NATION here to help people. Then turn around and leverage the world, dont help our oil ? We will start a war. Try to create your own oil payment and not use our dollars, we kill you.
     
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    Our country is doing all the Neocon Israeli dirty work. Using tax payer dollars to fight Israel wars. We send them BILLIONS, then Spend Billions more to control the region for them... All while allowing our people to lose standard of living. That itself is due to the DOLLAR being dismantled. Another 10 Years, China/Russia will control the worlds finance, we will lose as we have been losing Reserve currency status. We started Wars, tried to tell everyone how to live. We should not be in the middle east, all the big money people in this country have a duel citizenship with Israel, the mother land. They use us, take from the working class to promote themselves worldwide.
    Like a joke and if it were not right in front of our faces it would be hard to believe. 50 years ago this would be stopped by politicians, today, they play along, Bernie, AOC, and Iilad dont, thus, they will be illuminated soon. Being a good american for america is not a good thing anymore, you need billions behind you and only the MEDIA controls who wins and loses. The Media is owned by Israel through 3rd parties.
     
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    https://www.forbes.com/sites/katevi...n-americas-news-media-companies/#79963ead660a

    The Jewish People are great, very Intelligent people and they do great things. Same time, many are corrupt for the money and will do anything to control the world with the Central Bankers. That is all that really matters on all of these political posts. That is the bottom line to every problem, money, control, power, greed. It will destroy our nation one day at a time, go on a trip to China, SE Asia, it is like nothing you have never seen, so nice, so clean... Then go to the Philly airport !
     
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    Ronstar may not know what a treaty is or that it must be ratified by the senate
     
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    The iran nuke deal was not a treaty
     
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    It was an agreement, and presidents are not bound by treaties. This president doesn't care anyway.
     
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    The FBI cannot do that, it is the job of the prosecutor.
     
  23. HumbledPi

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    The prosecutors working with Robert Mueller on the investigation were being paid by the Dept. of Justice and many of the attorneys took a large pay cut in salary in order to work with Mueller on the investigation.

    There seems something here that seems to be going right over your head. Whatever it is, is inconsequential but whatever you're not understanding is very simple. The FBI and the Mueller investigators/prosecutors all worked under the umbrella of one branch of government, the Dept. of Justice.
     
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    LOL, now changing the goal post. What you just posted is irrelevant to your original claim.
     
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    What's interesting is that their political leadership doesn't even try to hide that this is what they are collectively rooting to occur; and yet STILL Dem Party voters will vote for the mongrels sans any demands that they actually develop meaningful ethics.
     

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