Arab illegal building on lands that Jews bought

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if racism doesn't exist, but Israel makes racist incitement illegal and joins the International Convention against Racism, then you're saying Israeli government are idiots since they believe racism exists.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    disgusting that Israel is using the Levy Report to stop kicking settlers off Arab private land.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    I never said such thing (that Israel are idiots).
    People can believe in whatever they pleased to be. Heck, they can believe that the sky is purple, I dont mind, but it doesnt change that you can say "I believe it so it exists". If something has no proofs then you can say "it exists", but you can say " I believe so", but beliefs can contradict the facts that this thing that they believe in doesnt exist.
     
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    Re-read previous comments, I already replied to othat subject.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Israeli government knows that racism is real.

    They have made racial incitement illegal. They joined the International Convention against Racism.

    denying the existence of racism, while saying its ok for Israel to not destroy illegal settlements and kick Jews off Arab land, does your argument no good.
     
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    Please re-read my comment.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Israel says racism exists. You say it doesn't.

    in this case, Israel is right..and you are wrong.
     
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    Its not me saying that, but exeprts say that in their research (one of them is the father of Genetic Antropology).
     
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    Israel says racism exists.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    And science say it's not exist.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    there is NO scientist who has written or said that "racism does not exist".

    you will not find it. no such quote is there.

    you know I am right.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    According to Cavalli-Sforza, the father of Genetic anthropology, which means whereby his the decisive word in this field in his researches he came to a conclusion that "races" dont exist:
    Source: https://alumni.stanford.edu/get/page...ticle_id=40759
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so go complain to the Israeli government and demand that they stop making racist incitement illegal, since racism doesn't exist.

    :roflol:
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    Right, racism does not exist.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    have you demanded Israel stop prosecuting people for racist incitement yet?
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    I'm not responsible aobut what other's think. I'm only responsible about what I'm thinking.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so you don't care that Israel has made racist incitement illegal? You think racism doesn't exist, yet your country has made racism illegal...and you don't care?

    lol!!
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    When and where did I said such thing?
     
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    Israel doesn't have to follow Levy report since it's recommendation, recommendation means it's not binding. Governments issue reports all the time like Locker report considering reforms regarding IDF which defense ministry oppose since it calls for large cuts in the IDF, or Trajtenberg report after social protest, or Sasson report in 2005 which was a report on illegal outposts. I'm assuming you along with many Israelis understandably oppose implementing Locker report due to large cuts it calls on IDF. Some of the Trajtenberg report's recommendations like regarding tax reform was passed but not all of it's recommendations. You also don't seem to mind that Sasson's reports recommendations like prosecuting officials involved in supporting illegal outposts were ignored. The Levy report's authors with one Alan Baker living in the settlements; living in what the report is examining and was legal official of foreign ministry ie job to defend Israel's policies which include settlements making him biased and conflict of interest to to decide this issue. Another Edmund Levy for what the report is named for is a former Supreme Court justice that was the only 1 out of 11 justices to rule against disengagement which is again a biased conflict of interest point of view. The Levy report claims that article 49 of Geneva convention doesn't apply to settlements and that Israel isn't an occupying power on 1907 Hague Regulation which goes against the consensus and most experts among them Israeli Supreme Court(on that Israel is an occupying power, on settlements Supreme Court views them legal as long it's not on Palestinian private land and has received proper permits ie not illegal outpost),UNSC, International Red Cross,ICJ, Theodore Meron(former official for Israeli foreign ministry after 6 day war and later judge for tribunal on Yugoslavia). The Levy report also mentions the British mandate which doesn't have any legal relevance since mandate ended when British gave mandate to UN after leaving during 1948 which was completed after formation of state of Israel which UN recognized and admitted into United Nations.
     
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    whether race exists or is simply perceived as existing, hatred and discriminatiomn against people due to real or perceived racial groups is REAL.

    that's why Israel joined the International Convention against Racism, and has made racial incitement illegal.

    but YOU think racism is a hoax. :)
     
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    As l ready told you, "races" accordingt o science do not exist. It is nly a social convention and that's all.

    * Science say racism is a hoax.
     
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    Levy report relying on the International law, International conventions and internatinoal law experts and of course use as well previous Israeli Supreme Court's rulings in it colnclusion.
    The report relies on the Interpretation of the ICRC regarding Article 49, and also relies on the things that Prof. Rostow and Prof. Stone said regarding this article.
    Nevertheless, Levy Report mentioned the Administration of "Palestine" i.e. the Brits, but they mentioned the "Mandate for Palsetine" the document, which according to Article 80 of the UN Charter, keeps it validity.
    Article 80 of the UN Charter says that all the rights that been acquired in the past by the power of Mandates. Due to that, the rights that were granted to the Jews in the document of "Madate for Palestine" is still valid and has to be respected.

    Also watch the video I posted in comment 68#.
     
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    It doesn't mention one but that doesn't mean there wont be one, they changed it after Oslo and the Gaza withdrawal, true many in the Likud don't think there should be a Palestinian state but those think we should have one state- annexing the Palestinians and keep the Jewish nature by constitution.

    To separate them from the truly messiah-nutts that also vote Likud or Jewish home, btw, a serious house cleaning started following the Arab family murder, those crazies star makes headlines everyday now, the gov approved admin arrests for them (was limited to Arab terror till now), so it could be the start of separating them from the sane Right.
     
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    this has long been the problem, Israel is growing and has to expand... but others do not want them to expand, be like Texas wanting to grow and take some of the surrounding state
     
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    Why does the word "racism" exist?

    Is it to stop us hating sharks?
     

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