Are Any Other Christians Out there Sick of This?

You may be correct, and I would add a PARANOID non-Christian (ha ha, which most non-Christians are almost by definition).

Thank you for your kindly letter and attempt to help.

 

The "judge not, yet ye be judged" is the only teaching of Jesus that many liberals know, and it gets them out of a whole range of problems.

For Catholic priests who are cowards, it gets them out of the difficult job of telling their parishoners that they have fallen into sin, and that if they don't repent they will go to hell.

I think many priests are going to be surprised when they meet Jesus. He will say to them, "Well you didn't offend people, but you didn't do your job." And then Jesus will give the priest a list of all his parishoners who ended up in hell because he didn't warn them about avoiding sin.

 

Yes, but the liberal, has a ****-eyed view of the quote on judgement. Those instances speak of mortal judgement, or judgement upon the soul itself.

Liberals just spout crap to make their sinful ways seem OK, it's a defense mechanism to help themselves justify what they are doing. And it's not just liberals either.

 

No, it isn't Blackrook and quite frankly I can't see how you can call yourself a Catholic and say that. Good works is our job. It is our primary job. That is how we spread the Gospel, through our actions.

 

I am a follower of Jesus Christ, first, and a Catholic, second. So, yes.

Why would you judging others tell you what sin is? Christ led by example and the Holy Spirit places truth on your heart. You should know sin because you feel absent from God.

Furthermore, as a Christian Jesus told you not to judge your brothers and to judge yourself.

We are called to spread the Good News of God's love and the path of that righteousness through the acceptance of the Christ. No, I am not called to tell my brothers anything, I am called to be an example. Actions, not words convince people that the light of Christ's love and infinite compassionate mercy is within you.

That was Jesus, the Christ, Messiah, Son of the Living God. You are not comparing yourself to Jesus are you? You are now seated at the Right Hand of the Father to judge mankind?

Wow.

 

You are treading into dangerous waters with this if you are a Christian. You are judging one of Christ's flock and this is not your vineyard.

I faithfully follow the laws put upon be by Jesus. I worship him with my deeds and words. When someone tries to thank me for what I do for them, I tell them that Jesus commanded me to do and to give me no thanks. When I err, I say that it is my error, not the Lord's. It is through Grace and not my deeds or actions that I am redeemed.

You cannot judge me, for you are not my Lord.

 

First, I'm not a liberal. Second try me. I was Outstanding Scholar of Religion at Sacred Heart and studied at Jesuit colleges. I studied Koine and Aramaic. Do you want to have an honest discussion about the Gospels or do you want to judge me?

It's called the Sacrament of Reconciliation, Blackrook. All priests do it.

He offended a lot of people by telling them to do as Christ bade them in the Gospel of Matthew and to turn away from the sin of pride and judgmental behavior.

 

Ah, you are no Catholic. Your the standard "American Convenient Catholic"....lol.

You can't separate Christ from His Church Zo. That alone tells me, you don't follow the Catholic Faith.

So, if we can't judge acts, then what were the Apostles doing all those years in foreign lands? I mean think about what they were walking into, as they proclaimed Christ to pagans and judged their acts as wrong, to let go of their sinful ways of life of worshipping false Gods. Was that not a judgement of their actions?

 

You need to go read your Catechism.

We are called by Christ to judge acts. We cannot judge souls. If we can't judge an act, then there is no basis of natural law itself, much less moral law.

You judge acts everyday Zo.

 

This is absolutely not the case. I am a follower of Christ, first, as should YOU be. If I followed the Church before Jesus then I would look the other way to molestation and other acts committed within the church.

The early church of Peter and James practiced as Christ instructed. If you mean Paul, then you would know that his words were for established churches, not those outside the church, ie the Church of Galatia, the Church of Ephesus, etc.

 

I have the Bible. Catechism is for RICA students. Or do you mean my missal?

Yes, our own.

This is secular philosophy. Church teaching tells you that we are guided by the Holy Spirit and that God plants the law upon our hearts, that we would love God and our neighbors as ourselves, for it is these two upon which all the laws of Moses and the prophets hang.

Absolutely, and I can be a real (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) on wheels, but when I'm doing it I don't bring Jesus into it because I was clearly instructed not to. When I am judgmental to anyone other than myself I am wrong.

I am to be a light unto the world. It is my light which spreads the Gospel.

 

What do you think this means from Romans 14:4:

Who are you to condemn someone else's servants? Their own master will judge whether they stand or fall. And with the Lord's help, they will stand and receive his approval.


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Does it not mean that we are to not judge those who are outside the church, ie servants of another?

 

Why should I be considerd paranoid? You already have the likes of Sarah Bachman, Rick Perry, Sarah Palin, all whom were, or are considerd future presidential contenders, who said that quote word for word. That mans laws must match gods laws.


I should never hear those words out of a government elected official.

 

You are right Christ did not just lead by example, and forgo teaching right from wrong.

"The 'judge not, yet ye be judged' is the only teaching of Jesus that many liberals know, and it gets them out of a whole range of problems."

That is starkly true. Then they demand a "liberal" on the Supreme Court, to judge that the war did not start with the two fatwas of war against us or Clinton invoking the War Powers Act to bomb Al Quacka.

Certainly "faith without works is dead," but the very existence of this is works of teaching:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2:14-26&version=NKJV

"You should know sin because you feel absent from God," simply leaves others to discover right from wrong, to form thousands of years of philosophy into a lifetime. It is an inefficient way to learn or teach.

It is like saying you should know corrosion because you feel absent from the science of dissimilar metals, you should know radiation because you feel absent from the great god Plutonium.

"Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." (Proverbs 22:6)

It is not just nature ("you should know sin because you feel absent from God") but nurture also that science recognizes as true.

Jesus taught right from wrong, not unlike others who did the same thing:

"Men of Athens, I honor and love you; but I shall obey God rather than you, and while I have life and strength I shall never cease from the practice and teaching of philosophy, exhorting anyone whom I meet after my manner, and convincing him, saying: O my friend, why do you who are a citizen of the great and mighty and wise city of Athens, care so much about laying up the greatest amount of money and honor and reputation, and so little about wisdom and truth and the greatest improvement of the soul, which you never regard or heed at all?" http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/apology.html

And right there we have works, "laying up the greatest amount of money and honor and reputation," and yet the irony of what this topic is proposing leaves "so little about wisdom and truth and the greatest improvement of the soul."

Al Quacka and Hamas have works, but they teach murder and genocide with accurate quotes of their perfect Koran and true Hadith.

One can hold out their hand as a brother sheep, and the wolf will take it off. The squid creature under the ice of the moon of the gas giant will probably display nice colors, then suck your brains out.

That is why you got to check out the wolf and squid keepers of the two holy city websites to see if they inserted a word that excludes you:

"None of you (truly) believes until he wishes for his brother (squid) what he wishes for himself."

Without teaching about sin one does not know to look for the wolf in sheep's clothing.

They see the Christian's works, then see the Christian cut them off in traffic by accident, and think the Darwin fish is funny. They see the Christian works, then see Doonesbury articulately attacking Creation "science" and do not make a connection with the issues of the day, we are not rioting in the streets over the virtual burning of the Old Testament. Whether or not Psalms 90:4 explains evolution is irrelevant. The philosophy of Jesus is not lost by the lack of belief in an ark; insistence upon trivial matters, making idols of men and things, which do not toil or spin for true understanding of right from wrong, but are a millstone around the neck, what good are they if a man loses his soul?

What is important is works and teaching the ethics of right from wrong, they both go hand in hand, the former cannot truly exist without the latter.

 

that phrase renders the entire post complete BS. You don't speak for Christianity, you are spewing liberal talking points and false doctrine with a side of "Black Liberation Theology" mixed in....Christianity has nothing to do with 'social justice'...Christianity teachs YOU to get out and help others, to give YOUR money to the poor..there is nothing in Christianity that teachs to TAKE from others and distribute as you see fit or to force others to serve as you choose.

Social justice is just a code word for socialism and that is FAR from Christianity.

Social justice is about collective salvation, the idea that we all must be saved or no one is. Christianity teachs the exact opposite, no one is responsible for your soul but you. What you do is between you and God, not society and you.

Social justice is taxing and confiscating from some to give to the other...FORCED 'charity' but Christianity teachs that you are supposed to give of yourself, from your own wealth..whatever that wealth is. That's why it is called tithing (ten percent) not 'whatever you have left'. Even the poorest Christian is encouraged (not forced) to give something, even if it is just time. It is personal...you are supposed to go out and LOOK the poor in the eye, to offer your own hand to others...not hire it out to some government lackey. Charity is between the person and GOD, not society and government.

Social justice is the biggest threat to Christianity because people that are willing to let others think for them believe it 'sounds nice'. They never think it through.

 

how would you know what it is to be a Christian when you openly admit you aren't one? How can you sit there and tell people that they don't know what they are?

How about we just decide we know all about athiesm and start telling you you aren't one? You say you 'know about them'...so if you read a book on anatomy, you're more of an expert than a doctor? If you read about a composer, you can play the piano? I read "Cosmo" by Asimov...so now I am more of an expert on space than anyone at NASA?

 

I know some of it, and it doesn't matter to me. That's what faith is....and as you point out, you don't believe in it so you can't speak to it. Just like I wouldn't take a blind man's description of an elephant too much to heart.

 

NO, absolutely not, it is about not judging those in the faith for trivial matters.

"14 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand."

The meaning is lost with the taking out of context.

Say for instance someone does not believe in six day creation, like Carl Sagan said he could not believe in a little god, so he could be a good man with a tiny spark of faith, then the stumbling block is not science but those that insist on disputable matters of a little god:

"Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters."

Is not the Ark disputable?

"13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister."

The context is NOT talking about "those who are outside the church," it is talking about those weak in the faith, newbees. Basically the Holy Spirit is the guide.

Say for instance a Muslim does not eat of all the verses, yet their Koran says we must keep them:

"[5.46] And We sent after them in their footsteps Isa, son of Marium, verifying what was before him of the Taurat and We gave him the Injeel in which was guidance and light, and verifying what was before it of Taurat and a guidance and an admonition for those who guard (against evil).
[5.47] And the followers of the Injeel should have judged by what Allah revealed in it; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the transgressors.
[5.66] And if they had kept up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which was revealed to them from their Lord, they would certainly have eaten from above them and from beneath their feet there is a party of them keeping to the moderate course, and (as for) most of them, evil is that which they do
[5.68] Say: O followers of the Book! you follow no good till you keep up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which is revealed to you from your Lord; and surely that which has been revealed to you from your Lord shall make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; grieve not therefore for the unbelieving people."

What if they are a relatively good man, we cannot judge they are going to hell, but we certainly can judge if what they do is bad and teach against the bad sins.

The meaning in context is that those inside the church have the Holy Spirit, which is not to be confused with the so-called "Prophet" MoHamMad some Moslems believe the verses of the Bible foretold would be our helper. Our helper is God's Holy Spirit not MoHamMad.

"[2.257] Allah is the guardian of those who believe. He brings them out of the darkness into the light; and (as to) those who disbelieve, their guardians are Shaitans who take them out of the light into the darkness; they are the inmates of the fire, in it they shall abide."

Now, that is kind of contrary to what Jesus taught about the children. Children need a teacher to know what is sin.

"Not to eat meat, that is the law. Are we not men?"

We have canine teeth, leave the teaching of others to nature, or to others, you get a beast.

If by works of charity and kindness alone one thinks they can bring those outside the church into the light, they are mistaken.

Those who do not believe are NOT being led by Shaitan, they are simply ignorant and need a teacher, and when a green grasshopper, they do not need a stumbling block of demanding they not eat the other white meat.

Or, like some churches believe Jesus drank wine and not new wine (grape juice), and that is a stumbling block stoning offence preventing Christians from buying wine for communion. The disputables cause a stumbling block.

The verses do not say we are to not to judge what is sin and teach it to those who are outside the church. It simply says remove the disputables so newbees do not have a stumbling block.

 

Most of the "so called" evangelical christians on this thread, try to use the bible to justify their "beliefs". Yet they ignore the words of Jesus, when it comes to their greed, hate for the poor and elderly, and their lack of forgiveness and compassion.

Quotes from Jesus:
"Judge not and be not judged. Judge and be judged accordingly."
"Love your enemies, and do good to them."
"Give to the poor and needy."
"You can not serve God and mammon(money)."
"They honor me with their words, but their hearts are far from me."
"Honor your elders."
"Feed the hungry and clothe the naked."
"Blessed are the merciful for they will receive mercy."
"There will be many that come to me on the last day and say, didn't I cast out demons in your name and didn't I prophecy in your name? And Jesus will tell them, "I know you not, you are workers of iniquity."
"The scribes(writers of scripture in the temple) and pharisees(priests) are sons of vipers. They do not enter the gate of heaven, but block the gate so that the believers can't enter in."
"You shall reap what you sow." (karma)
"Blessed are those that rightly divide the word of truth."
"Woe to those that set stumbling blocks for the seekers of truth."

 

As a non-Christian howse about..."Do unto others as you would have others do unto you". ???

 

Here, here.

 

Yes, I am "pushing" liberty. Or, to put it another way, I am pushing BACK against the authoritarian infringement of rights perpetrated by these so-called "Christians"...

 

Never been a big fan of Christianity but they do have a few sayings that I really like, this is one of them.

 

The American Taliban use Jesus selectively.

Jesus is cool for this or that, but when it comes to war, granting citizens basic civil rights, or taxing the obscenely wealthy, they go to the Old Testament.

 

So are you saying that people who believe in marriage as exclusivily between a man and a woman is going against Jesus? I'm confused because your rant is vague. Do you think people shouldn't judge right from wrong? Did not Jesus go after the Pharasees and judged their behavior as wrong and against God?

I guess I'm not sure what your problem is or who it is with specifically. Pastors with their sermans? Voters at the voter booth?