Are Black People Racist

That's because you continue to ignore brain volume and gene frequency differences.

What are you basing your claim the black-white IQ gap has shrunk?

Why has it stopped for the last 30 years, and what policies /environmental variables can you positively identify as the cause for the IQ gap reduction?

 

Whites on chronic welfare in the U.S.A had scored a IQ of 92, while Blacks in the U.S.A had scored a 85 IQ.

 

I have provided studies refuting your brain volume and gene frequency claims as well as provided studies that show that the Black-White IQ gap has been reduced by several IQ points as well as research showing that when controlling for Socioeconomic Status including family and neighborhood quality that the Black-White IQ gap disappears.

 

You've done nothing to refute the evidence other than outdated articles by an agenda driven professor who did not address the actual study that was done.

You have not provided one article refuting measured racial brain volume differences. You have not provided a single study showing black and white brain volume to be the same, you ignore every study taken to date, and you pretend supposed environmental variables you cannot prove exist support your position.

It has been obvious from the start you are not interested in the facts, but agenda.

You flee whenever pressed to support your claims.

That is why you cannot respond to anything in your own words. You do not actually understand the material.

 

Some are and some aren't.

 

Generally speaking....They obviously are.

 

That's just a lie and you know it. No one takes Scientific Racism seriously except a handful of fringe scholars with a racist agenda.

 

That's hilarious!

 

Mostly because race has no basis in natural science. It's a social construct. Depending on which theory of race someone subscribes to there are between 3 and 137 'races' and none of the theories of race seem to be anything more than picking a handful of physical attributes that reinforce a preconception that Joe must belong to a different tribe than Bob.



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Ukraine is way poorer than African Americans, Ukraine went through much worse circumstances in the 20th century than African Americans, and Ukraine still manages to score a higher IQ than African Americans, even if we use your 93 IQ "estimate"

 

You have not addressed the brain volume differences other than to claim purported environmental variables you have not demonstrated exist.

You flee every time you are asked to support your claims.

You have not addressed recent studies on gene frequency differences.

 

It's the truth.

True.

Once again you are comparing a demographic group to a country despite no logical basis for doing so.

I addressed both issues in this post. Your argument has absolutely no credibility.

 

I'm confused. If you can prove scientifically that one race is more prone to violence than another how is that racist? Now if you're saying that people would use science to say that we should wipe all blacks from the face of the earth or something then that would be racist.

 

You can't. Races don't commit violence, people do.



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I'm saying that the claim that certain races are mentally inferior is pseudoscientific and motivated by racist ideology.

 

I torpedoed your points.

The bottom line is you are unable to articulate responses in your own words.

Your copy-pastes have been refuted. Tobias' work is 40 years old and he never provided evidence for his allegations.

You quote Graves that does not address recent gene frequency differences that have been noted in the last few years.

I suspect you can't honestly address the evidence not only due to the dearth of yours, but your inability to comprehend the material.

I would be very surprised if you are able to formulate a rebuttal to the recent gene frequency analysis without copy-pastes of other writers (who are not even addressing the data).

 

You lost the debate on brain volume differences. I very much doubt you understand Piffer's studies yourself, you just like the conclusions so you parrot them.

 

Like I said, you are unable to argue in your own words.

You flee everytime you're pressed to argue in your own words and substantiate your claims; you then respawn and claim victory.

You fled the thread on brain volume differences after I requested you prove a single environmental variable actually was present in any of the studies, and to address northeast Asian and white brain volume differences.

Feel free to refute the recent evidence showing whites have greater frequencies of genes correlated with educational attainment.

 

I provided studies showing that differences in brain size do not determine intelligence within the species normal range of variation and that the reported brain size differences between populations were too small to account for any significant difference in intelligence even if we assume a causal relationship between brain size and intelligence. Furthermore the reported brain size differences by Rushton were based on studies that were not controlled and not comparable.

The studies you cited by Davide Piffer claiming a difference in gene frequencies for genes correlated with educational attainment between races are not credible. They were published in Mankind Quarterly which is a pseudoscientific, racist journal. Also while Joseph Graves did not address Piffer directly he did address the argument. You can not assume differences in gene frequencies related to intelligence for a few candidate genes. You would need to look at the majority of genes related to intelligence and show an uneven distribution to have a legitimate argument. As it is Graves looked at SNP's within genes related to intelligence which represented 50 populations and concluded that available data does not support the argument that genetic differentiation between genes related to intelligence show a racial association. Human populations have not diverged enough to be classified as races and the genetic differentiation between populations can not account for any alleged difference in genes related to intelligence. For your argument to be correct there would have to be some selection mechanism operating on human populations to cause this genetic differentiation causing genetic differences at thousands of loci within a population that is supposedly deficient in intelligence. There is no evolutionary basis for making that assumption.

 

Yes that's true. But when speaking from a collective there are races more prone to violence than others.

 

Well, I could compare nation to nation.

How come Ukraine scores a higher IQ than the Bahamas, when the Bahamas has had much better circumstances in the 20th century, and also is much richer than Ukraine?

 

So what is the correlation data of your 'studies'? If you do not have correlation data, your studies are useless compared to the numerous studies showing positive correlation between brain volume and IQ.

The studies you cited by Davide Piffer claiming a difference in gene frequencies for genes correlated with educational attainment between races are not credible. They were published in Mankind Quarterly which is a pseudoscientific, racist journal. [/QUOTE]

That is nothing more than a fallacy. Do you have a response to the actual results or not?

 

collective /kəˈlektiv/

adjective
: Done by people acting as a group. Belonging or relating to all the members of a group.

noun
: A cooperative enterprise.


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That is the same error. No race is a collective. No race acts collectively.

The same is true of the group of people who wear shoes. Although the group of shoe-wearing people commits even more crimes. The tendency to violence you describe does not belong collectively to all people wearing shoes or a particular color skin.

Believing that propensity belongs to or relates to either group is a mistake. It results from speaking about a group from a collective point of view—when that group is not a collective.




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Correlation data is useless without context. Even if we could establish a strong correlation between brain volume and IQ that doesn't tell us that larger brain volume causes higher IQ. You've already seen the studies I've cited. They show that brain size does not determine intelligence within the species normal range of variation and there is no racial hierarchy in brain size. Moreover the variation in brain size that does exist between populations is too small to account for racial differences in IQ even if we were to assume a causative relationship between brain size and IQ. The brain size argument is a severely outdated relic of old school Scientific Racism which has been thoroughly refuted.

That is not a fallacy. That is an objective assessment of the studies you cited. I clearly responded to the argument in my own words, which you said I could not do, explaining point by point why the conclusions are wrong. Looking in to Davide Piffer's background I have not found evidence that he is even qualified to assess population genetics research. He appears to be a colleague of Richard Lynn who is trying to lend credibility to his racial theories. So we're dealing with yet another academic racist advancing the pseudoscientific theory of genetically determined racial differences in intelligence.

 

That's rather ignorant. I'm not saying that everyone in that group is more prone nor am I'm saying that no one outside that group is prone. A simple matter of stats will show you that indeed one race is more prone to violence than another. One religion is also more prone to violence than others.