Are republican attacks against corporations a blow to 1st amendment?

Let’s talk about Democrat activists threatening corporations from within and externally if they don’t say what they want them to say? None of this is voluntary or accidental. Democrats are using culture to alienate a portion of the population and it’s no longer just political. It’s destroying lives. It’s turning families against one another. Destroying friendships. Getting people fired. And it wouldn’t be so sad if it wasn’t based on LIES. The GA voting laws are the perfect collection of pure LIES the MSM and Biden are spouting. NOT A single racist thing about any of it. Just lie after lie after lie. Even WAPO had the balls to call Biden out.

This is NOT simple capitalism. It’s cultural warfare using social media to threaten people and change the country. It’s not far off from social currency that China uses. It’s just not official yet. Just wait until your job, credit or ability to open a bank account is based on who “likes” you.

Black Mirror spelled our demise out perfectly with Nosedive.

 

If people don't stand up to it, they will get more of it.

 

So now corporations are people? But only if they toe the leftist line right?

 

When a corporation, especially one like MLB that is dependant for its success on anti trust exemptions, takes actions that harm the citizenry of that state, then that state has every right to take whatever actions it deems necessary to redress the harm caused by that corporation. Please note the entire narrative regarding the Georgia law is a complete lie.

 

The state gives companies tax cuts, and the state can take away those tax cuts.
If can do this for whatever reason it chooses, including criticism of said state, and doing so does not violate the 1st Amendment.
If you believe otherwise, its because you, clearly, haven't thought it through.

 

Seems to me you are offering one opinion.

So though that is fine with me, can you prove your own claims? Evidence can prove your claims made above.

 

Is it okay to point this out?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...il-knight-oregon-governor-republican-midterms

 

Do you need proof of Repub's support for Citizen's United or Dem's opposition to it?

 

It seems to me that if you are okay corporations taking actions on behalf of leftist causes celebre but object to it when they support your opposition you are just being hypocritical and distaste of Citizens United has more to do with a faulty apprehension on your part as to where most corporate money goes...

 

Why are you discussing Citizens united? This was ruled on by the Supreme Court.

 

Let's talk about Repub's support for a SC ruling that equates unlimited corporate spending on political campaigns with free speech. Right up until the point when those corporations exercise their actual free speech rights by saying something Repubs disagree with. At which time Mitch McTreason tells them to ****.

 

Read through the thread and figure it out.

 

Corporations are completely allowed to say whatever they like. It is their unmitigated constitutional right. However, they have no constitutional right to tax breaks and public subsidies.

 

Yes let's stand with those workers at the Amazon Bessemer distribution who took a stand against the unions and are rejecting them 3 to 1.........do you stand with those workers?

 

Meh... I don't really think it should be the govts responsibility or jurisdiction to protect us from big corporations (beyond perhaps informing us of their activity so we can associate with their competition instead...), but since we have placed govt in the position to protect us from corporations, certainly many of them today should fit the definition of monopolistic and warrant corrective action. That action would require the govt to not be beholden to those corporations tho... which it is, primarily because we've placed govt in the position that makes it useful in attaining monopoly.

 

What are corporations? Are they these huge black monsters that come out of the mountains to suppress us all?



Corporations are merely private citizens engaged in a mutual business endeavor, you know freely assembling to engage in an economic endeavor in the hopes to make a profit, a return on their investment. Two of the greatest things ever developed in western civilization was the creation of corporations and the creation of insurance, shared risk. Without either we would NEVER have become the modern thriving civilized world with the standard of living we have and the wonderful quality of life with all the food available and products available and jobs available.

 

Nobody said that the companies can't take a position and voice it.

They said they also have the freedom and right to elect not to use those companies or buy their products.

Free will bud.

You are free to say whatever you want, you aren't free from the repercussions others choose as a result of those words.

 

No, they're not just that. People can do that without becoming a corporation. Corporations are distinct legal constructs that allow a business to take actions that are legally/lawfully the responsibility of the 'business' instead of any human. In the case where those actions are illegal and/or unlawful, since there is no 'human' to put in prison, merely a piece of paper and an account that can be fined, some very horrendous things can be done to people with no meaningful repurcussions, often just a 'fall guy' that can be blamed and fired (after substantial compensation for agreeing to be the fall guy) to satisfy angry shareholders that the 'problem has been resolved.' Small businesses cannot operate in this manner, as when they break the law, there is a human to punish. The legal persona of the corporation is a shield for large business to operate and profit from essentially criminal enterprise without criminal repurcussions. The result of this is not only large businesses run by criminals who hide their crime behind the corporation, but a corrupt relationship between private criminals and criminals in govt who are more than happy to accept those fines in liu of any punishment that might actually prevent future corporate crime. Even worse, then the govt can effectively hire corporations to commit crime on their behalf, both parties knowing that the future contract awards will offset any fines that result from the crime and no ones goes to prison, corporations then become the tool by which government is able to get away with crime, being that still no human can officially be blamed and the only repurcussions are fines. Since the early 1900's, certain corporations have been responsible for loaning the govt its budget. In this dynamic, the circuitous flow of 'money' (made up numbers) grants these corporations and govt the ability to essentially write off any fines by just adjusting who owes whom how much, and there are effectively no repercussions at all for corporations committing crime on behalf of the govt.

 

Yes citizens can do that without incorporating but would he quite stupid to do so so they mostly don't. And we would never have the standard of living and all the wonder products and services we enjoy. Small business can incorporate under a variety of forms that best suit them from full publicly traded to LLC. But again it isbjust people engaged in the right to freely assemble and pool resources into a mutual endeavor. And there criminals who are not incorporated too.
And if a person in a corporation violates the law they can be prosecuted.

 

Republicans only want corporations to exercise their first amendment rights when it's with their wallets.

It's odd how some politicians want corporations to stay out of politics, but then lauded a SC decision that allowed for unlimited corporate donations to politicians. There is no consistency among that party anymore.

 

Often not so. There are many types and methods of 'corporate crime' that effectively shield key decision makers from being held legally liable for those decisions, blaming the fake entity of the corporation instead of those giving the orders. When a mob boss orders a crime committed, the mob boss is held as liable for it as whomever carried out the orders. Not necessarily so when an officer or group of officers in a corporation order employees to commit a crime. In that case, very often its viewed that the corporation is the entity responsible for the crime, and since the corporate entity only exists on paper, no one goes to jail. More here: (this is specific to corporations in India, but its basically the same here in the US)
Tariq-Bin_mw481529.pdf (ijhsss.com)

FTR- I'm not opposed to big business. I'm only opposed to the ridiculous practice of treating a fake entity that doesn't exist as if it were capable of being responsible for the commission of crime.

 

This isn't about crime the vast majority of crime is committed by private citizens and anyone in a corporation that causes a corporation to violate the law can be prosecuted. And corporations are not fake entities they are a group of people joined together in a mutual interest.

 

Corporate crime may be numerically small, but it can have a far greater impact than crime by individual citizens. Prime recent example is the BP Deepwater Horizon explosion, for which no one went to jail. When reading up on what caused the explosion and the spill, in nearly every instance its claimed that 'BP did this' and 'BP didn't do that'... BP was fined $20B, which just means we're all going to pay their fine for them with higher oil prices. But the humans within BP giving the orders for this to be done and that to not be done, falsifying safety reports, etc, will not be going to prison, because its the 'corporation's fault' that 11 people were killed. Thats ****ing dumb. Some humans broke the law and other humans ordered the law broken, not 'the corporation.'

 

Of course. Delta is lying about, and slandering the duly elected representatives of GA even while they accepting their hand-outs. You seem to have some perverted view of the 1st amendment that it means you cannot be subjected to the consequences of lies, slander and ungratefulness.

If Georgia's motorists can pay fuel taxes, then why the hell can't Delta? Dela's loudmouthed, virtue-signaling, asshat CEO who deliberately picked this fight makes over $17 MILLION a year. Real person median income in the South is just over $33,000 a year. This ashoe makes more in 3 hours than the median Georgian makes in a year, yet, he's going to slander the duly elected representatives of the state, for requesting ID to vote. Have you been to an airport lately? Have you tried to get to your boarding gate without ID?

Damn right I'm on board with this. He got the good feeling for shooting off his mouth parroting demented Joe Biden's lies, now he can get the good feeling of paying the same tax for fuel that every other Georgian already does. Why in the hell do you support giving this ashoe tax free gas when no one else in the state gets tax free gas?

$35M is just a bit over 2 years salary for this clown, about $66,000 for much of Georgia. This idiot makes more than $66,000 every 6 hours. Which is a hell of a lot of sixes.

 

Corporations have some severe limits on funding. What do you mean unlimited? We do object to a public social platform denying our president his speaking rights on their platform because they hated him.

Will they stop Biden from lying?