As Climate Worsens, a Cascade of Tipping Points Looms

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  1. Sunsettommy

    Sunsettommy Well-Known Member

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    Still waiting for the Troposphere Hot spot to show up.

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    What you really mean to say, I
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    5 if 6 stations BELOW freezing mean annual level.

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    There is no reason to let people lie to you, there is very little warming at all these days, some are even cooling now.
     
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    What you show is consistent with the historical record on climate as taken from antarctic ice cores or the first computer models circa 1970s.
     
  4. Jack Hays

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    Antarctic ice cores? Did you notice the temperature records cited in #577 were from Iceland and Greenland?
     
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    You are confused here, since it is Greenland Iceland data that is in front of you..... or is that your coy way of deflection to avoid seeing that you have been mislead and lied to?
     
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    Greenland/Iceland data is local, Antarctic cores reflect global conditions. Micro vs macro.
     
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    And yet it's your #578 that claims the Greenland and Iceland data are "consistent" with Antarctic ice cores.:confusion:
     
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    No, I'm saying that local variations are consistent with models and data from antarctic ice cores confirm. Climate change is not linear, locally or globally. The data can be described as less than definitive yet very, very strongly suggestive, enough so that prudence demands mitigating efforts.
     
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    I'm afraid that post gets a very high score on the BS scale. What you're claiming is that anything anywhere can be cited as AGW evidence.:cheerleader:
     
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    Nope! Observed and measured. Hard Science. The observations and measurements or not arguable. It is what it is. Interpreting those observations and measurements is where it comes together for some and falls apart for others. Both camps are coming at it from the wrong angle. It appears from your posts that for you it falls apart. If I'm wrong I apologise. If I'm right, where does it fall apart for you?
     
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    Maybe the part where the natural factors that indisputably caused all previous century-scale warming episodes somehow mysteriously became inoperative.
     
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    No one is arguing the measurements. Yours is the classic AGW error that attributes everything to the chosen cause.
    How we fool ourselves. Part II: Scientific consensus building
    Posted on April 10, 2021 by curryja | 459 comments
    by Judith Curry

    “Like a magnetic field that pulls iron filings into alignment, a powerful cultural belief is aligning multiple sources of scientific bias in the same direction. – policy scientist Daniel Sarewitz

    Continue reading →
     
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    No ALL three are REGIONAL conditions, and ALL three are not supporting your unsupported claims of unusual warming trends and doesn't support the modeling scenarios of a warming world based on a trace gas with a trace IR absorption range ideology.

    Meanwhile your last few replies seems to be a chasing style of replies over which you change the meaning from what you first claimed.
     
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    Global warming is net beneficial. Always has been and always will be.
     
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    Let's put a pin in that and move on to the big problem.
     
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    There is no big problem.
     
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    There are lots of big problems. There are even (potentially) some big climate problems (at least there have been in the past). CO2 just isn't one of them.
     
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    As a climate denier and probably an antivaxxer, and I don't know, is it possible you are also a flat earther, and doubtless a conspiracy buff, I am sure you will not acknowledge the possibility that we are perhaps in the midst of the 6th mass extinction. The bigger problem.
     
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    We are certainly in the middle of the 6th mass extinction, but it is driven by human transportation systems that end species isolation, not CO2. And it is certainly in no sense a big problem, except for the species that go extinct.
     
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    Yeah, until it's us! And you are pathetically wrong as to the human effect! Pathetic because you believe it, that you speak from ignorance rather than knowledge. Knowledge which it is so easy to obtain, if only one is interested. How about it? Are you interested?
     
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    Hmmm. I have had both Pfizer shots, thanks. And I voted against Trump twice, so I suggest you put aside your baseless assumptions. I share the climate views of the Chairman of the Racah Center for Physics at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and IBM Einstein Fellow at the Institute for Advanced Study, Professor Nir Shaviv.
    How Climate Change Pseudoscience Became Publicly Accepted
     
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    Paleo Expert: Earth is Not in the Midst of a Sixth Mass Extinction

    “People who claim we’re in the sixth mass extinction don’t understand enough about mass extinctions to understand the logical flaw in their argument,” he said. “To a certain extent they’re claiming it as a way of frightening people into action, when in fact, if it’s actually true we’re in a sixth mass extinction, then there’s no point in conservation biology.”
     
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    “Chart produced by...........

    “sum won on da twitter fing”

    Yep! Real scientific!
     
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    Whatupmybutt
    :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    yep! Real scientific!

    If you want to impress me - don’t quote AstroTurf blogs of twitter or tik tok or other social media sites. Read the IPCC reports and address the SCIENCE
     
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