As promised, Trump slashes aid to Central America over migrants

I think this is a great thing. They're not doing anything to curb their illegal immigration. At least nothing that really means anything. In fact I wodun't be surprised if those governments are actively aiding those who enter illegally. Hell, at one point Mexico was given out maps with locations of water towers, aid stations and the locations of known BP routes.

 

The lib/prog/socialist crowd thinksbelieves most facts are dumb.

 

1,000? Dude, 300,000 were apprehended last year alone and that is a number which was not seen since the 1970s.

And then a spike has happened this year so that the current year is experiencing a 13 year high.

 

Trump is the president. He is the one who made immigration his signature issue. He is the one who watched immigration hit a 13 year high during his 3rd year in office. The reason immigration has spiked is because of his policies.

He is a massive failure on his signature issue.

Deal with that fact, jack.

 

No it is not. These corrupt countries are a lost cause. Use that money to build a wall.

 

What policy(ies) of Trump caused illegal immigration to spike?

Oh....and how did they cause them to spike.

Details, please.

 

Wouldn't you agree that it would look bad for Mexico and piss off Trump even more if they let the caravans continue?

I don't get you guys. In this thread it sounds like you want to stop the flow of illegals but only if we pay them off. Yet when the flow reaches our borders you want to let them in. You don't want barriers and you want to tear down existing ones. You meet the illegals at the border with lawyers and cheering crowds, you want to abolish ICE and create as many incentives for the illegals to come here as you possible can, and in some places the left even allows them to vote. The left literally treats illegals better than homeless Americans. And every time an illegal reaches our border not one person on the left ever wants to talk about how many illegals were robbed, raped, kidnapped, murdered or simply died along the way while leaving the only country they've ever known. Why is that?

Face it, a while back both Clintons, Obama and many others on the left wanted secure borders, they wanted the illegals gone and you were all for it. Now that they need the votes as per Latinos being the future of the democrat party (see DNC memo on the subject) you obediently change your core position on the subject and want as many of them in the country as possible. Again, why is that?

 

Good lord man. This post is filled with so many strawmen, false choice, and hyper-absurd interpretations of the other side that I do not know where to begin.

 

You can begin by answering, that's usually the best way to start.

 

Trump has implemented (and attempted to implement) several immigration related policies. Specifically, he has attempted to suspend DACA, implemented the muslim travel ban, family separation, declared a national emergency to redirect military funds to build a wall, suspended environmental waivers in order to fast track wall development, decreased financial aid for central american countries, imposed (and threatened to impose) tariffs on mexico, and supported corrupt politicians located in central america, etc.

The current illegal immigration situation is now, after two years of Trump's immigration policies, at a 13 year high. And it is a signature issue for Trump.

After looking over the results, how else should one interpret the data? Trump is objectively a massive failure on his signature issue of immigration.

 

You asked several questions based on false choices, strawmen, and hyper-absurd interpretations of the other side's position. I reject the false choice (for example, choosing between stopping illegal immigrants or paying them off), I reject the strawmen (for example, that we do not want barriers), and I reject the hyper-absurd interpretations (for example, that we want to create as many incentives as possible for illegal immigrants to come here).

 

But the leaders of those shithole are living large

 

All of those policies seem to make an illegal immigrant NOT want to come here.

And ALL of those policies were fought tooth-and-nail and in the courts by your brethren ilk.

Try harder to actually make a valid case to support your position of ignorance.

We'll wait...

 

A lot of areas in America are overflowing with homeless citizens. So maybe our homeless people should flee America and go to those places where the illegal aliens come from. The US will then give them money to improve their lives.

 

and if that speeds up, it will be Trump's fault

 

I thought that all these illegals will be stopped by the massive increase of Mexican border guards due to the withdraw of the promised increase in tariffs that Trump would place on imports from Mexico if Mexico did not improve border security? Did Trump lie again?

 

Not that I'm against cutting foreign aid, but how exactly does this discourage people from migrating from central America?

and if we're going to be cutting aid for third world countries, how about cutting aid for first world countries? We send $3 billion to Israel every year(more than any other country by far), which is more aid than what we put into the entire western hemisphere combined

 

Tired of winning, yet?

Trump got us out of 24 years of mediocre politics, RepubloCratic
Clinton, Bush Jr., Obama
What did any of them do about Trade abuses? Trump did!
24 years of people struggling harder to stay even in a Middle Class life style.
It could have been Bernie but a corrupted Democratic Party decided otherwise.
It was good to stop that 24 years and hopefully is not renewed via Biden.

What part do I have incorrect?


Moi

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If it means we stopped giving money to Africa and Asia and South America yeah stop giving it to Israel.

 

The best thing we can do to help other countries is to encourage them to become capitalistic meritocracies. No amount of foreign aid will ever make anything better.

Handouts do not help people.

 

It's a good move. It's not America's fault that they're in abject poverty so it's not our responsibility to get them out. These are the type of foreign entanglements we should not have.

 

DACA should be suspended or scrapped completely. We have no responsibility to foreign Nationals. There was never a Muslim ban. Families are separated because adults go to a holding facility where are there asylum claims are evaluated. It is not our responsibility to put up asylum seekers in family housing.

There is a national emergency there have been caravans orchestrated as a direct attack on our border. Something has to be done about it. Environmental waivers should be suspended. The tariffs on Mexico are to force them to play ball.

Despite it being at a 13-year high probably pretty high over the entirety of the United States history, and his actions to do something about it, are met with criticism.

I think Trump is doing a fantastic job with regard to illegal aliens. He seems to be the only one taking the threat seriously.

Besides that economy is doing great unemployment is at record lows.

Trump is good for our nation. At least those of us that like our nation.

To the fact that you were complaining means he's doing something right.

 

All I can do is shake my head at lefties complaining that Trump's results regarding illegal immigration are inadequate, when the left has fought him every step of the way.

----The suspension of DACA would have been a deterrent to future illegal immigrants hoping for the same benefit.

----Family separation ---- if you don't want to risk being separated from your family, stay in your home country and don't drag your kids here to use as pawns for special treatment, it is as easy as that.

----The national emergency declaration to get wall funding was necessary because Democrats were doing everything in their power to block funding. The national emergency declaration was only necessary to get around obstructionist Democrats. It is especially laughable to hear the left complain about this one when it was their fault it was necessary in the first place. Oh yeah, and border security IS a national emergency, so there's also that....

----As far as suspending environmental waivers to speed up the building of the wall 1) we have too many environmental regulations to begin with and 2) people who know more about this than we do are deciding which environmental waivers are appropriate. But for fun, which environmental waiver in particular has you all up in arms about damage to the environment because of the wall? And does the potential "damage" outweigh the known damage being caused currently by the flood of illegal immigration? Humor us....

----"Decreased financial aid for central american countries" ---- this is to encourage their cooperation in stemming the flood of immigrants from their countries.

----Tariffs ---- this threat actually did a good job of jolting Mexico out of complacency. Only time will tell how ultimately successful it was, but in no way can it be spun into a negative.

----"supported corrupt politicians located in central america" ---- who is particular concerns you, and why?

The fact is, every step Trump has taken has been to protect America from illegal immigration and the flood of "asylum seekers" (whose legitimacy is questionable at best.)

If Democrats weren't fighting Trump every step of the way, imagine how much more progress we could have made. But Democrats would rather burn down America than work with Trump.

 

Maybe, but it's not hard to make the argument that there would have been more illegal migration with no aid at all. Surely even a trumper can understand this line of reasoning?

 

Your entire premise is, well, dumb. trump is no better, and certainly much worse, than some of his predecessors. On balance, trumps administration has been a shameful clown show. We deserve much better.