As U.S. Covid19 deaths near 100,000, Trump believes the death count is inflated

So you’re saying even though there’s no proof every single person a doctor claimed, died of Covid we should take their word for it? You bet your life that every single death marked as Covid was a fact? You’d be a liar.

You understand ANY symptom of Covid can be chalked up as a death? Fever. Cough. Shortness of breath. ANY SHARED SYMPTOM. A test was not necessary. You’d be a naive fool to believe the deaths aren’t inflated.

 

From all the countries who declared a state of emergency and went into mandatory lockdown. What an odd question!

 

None of the above.

And....when presented with facts, you resorted to personal attacks. Your leftyness is firmly intact.

 

So which is it? China’s fault or unstoppable?

I’m curious - exactly what do you think China should have done to stop the spread?

 

Trump's "HAD WE DONE NOTHING" Covid19 Death Toll; 2.2 million

Known as the "Imperial College Study......

HAD WE DONE NOTHING worst scenario;

Based on an estimated R0 of 2.4;

81% of U.S. population would be affected, 2.2 million deaths.

NOTE: 2.2 million, absolutely not a RE-ELECTION death toll.

Question; If 100,000 Covid19 deaths isn't a preferable RE-ELECTION number, what about Sweden's number of deaths per 1M pop, currently at 396? Thus, 396 X 330 = 130,680 deaths.

NOTE: In this forum, many Trump's supporters have endorsed/argued about Sweden's coronavirus strategy, however, they've also complained about CDC's death count guidelines, thus, my question to them/flip floppers; If 100,000 Covid19 deaths isn't a preferable RE-ELECTION number, what about 130,680 deaths?

 

You did NOT just call the Imperial College study Trump's touted numbers(more like Birx's, so if you want to complain, complain about the right person touting it), furthermore, if the name 'imperial wasn't a hint enough for you, it came from the UK and from a dude who himself violated his own preferred shutdowns.

And this isn't about re-election, that's a democrat problem. For US, the bigger problem is the generation of debt that the response has created. There would be much the same hoopla if Joe Biden were presently President. Sure, Biden wouldn't encourage the cryout of Liberty(far from it, it was he and his party that embraced this destruction)

Because see, here's the thing: We'll eventually develop effective treatments for the coronavirus. We'll eventually get a higher and higher recovery rate, but the reality of the stimulus(which you can see on CNBC) is that there is no other remedy than a return of economic activity to fix the market.

No amount of dead money, no matter how high is going to fix it. And everyone acknowledges the lockdowns aren't really an effective measure, save for being a totalitarian state. So it would appear the left's grand idea of a fix is not only do we still have the pandemic, but a decade-long depression.

And you wonder why I can't endorse the democratic party? Four years later, Democrats have shown that they cannot lead the US and continue to make bad decisions. Worse leadership than Trump is not what we need.

 

Perhaps you could explain away the excess total number of deaths in April in all major countries compared to the equivalent period in previous years?

 

Doctors could lose their jobs if they are found out to willfully write death certificates with the wrong cause of death. However, that's what you are alleging, that there are scores of doctors out there that are forging death certificates to make Trump look worse. That a serious allegation with, however, very little proof.

 

Are you honestly trying to tell us that every doctor writing death certificates has suddenly decided to write “covid 19” just to spite Trump?

So........where have “they” hidden the mind control machine?

 

NOT at all. Not every. But many were passing them off as “possible” or “probable” deaths because the Fed reimbursed them for it and many truly didn’t know if they could test them at the time. Without the Covid signature they would not receive the funding. Hospitals are NOT stupid. They need the money.

 

This is NOT about Trump at all. Nothing to do with him. Just stop with the TDS already. It’s truly deranged.

And no, these doctors will NOT lose licensing
because they’re not exhuming corpses from graves and the rest are dust. They were making assumptions at the time and administration was damn well pushing for the federal reimbursements on each Covid patient. There was no downside because anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together can see that there won’t be a way to prove one way or another. So maybe 10% of deaths were questionable? No one is going to jail. They’ll be looking at cause of death over time and there will be plenty that didn’t necessarily die of Covid. They just happened to have it or shared symptoms. The more fraudulent cases would be complications from a serious disease and blaming it on Covid. That’s where the lines blur. You’re on cancer treatments and catch Covid, did it kill you or the cancer? If you had 6 months to live anyway, what was the real cause of death? That’s where the classifications are sketchy.

AGAIN. This is not about defending Trump because he doesn’t have **** all to do with anyone dying. Covid doesn’t give a **** who’s president. But leftists do. Stop politicizing this. It’s SICK!!!

 

I agree this should not be politicized. Why, then, are you politicizing the issue by claiming that doctors are lying en-masse on death certificates to make a few more bucks for their hospitals?

The second question is: Even if the allegation were true, why is this so important to you? We all know, because covid deaths are interfering with Trumps re-election success. That success is more important to you than anything, so you have to come up with conspiracy theories to shift the blame away from Trump.

 

Thank you very much. Now help me figure the odds of me catching the Chinese virus.
330,000,000 million people in the US
Number of reported cases in the US 1,622,114

 

Really??

So all those doctors risking their own lives to try and save people (a number of healthcare professionals have died from this virus) have suddenly all been affected by greed at the same time and what? Written “covid 19 on death certificates just because the patient died on a ventilator in the middle of a ward full of ventilated patients all of whom had covid 19

 

Oooooh! About a 90- 100% as it stands at the moment

Will up to date?

 

Here's a RE-ELECTION "Arsenal stat" Republicans may want to echoed prior to November 3rd;

Excluding China and Russia, the U.S. Covid19 Death toll as a percent of cumulative Cases is SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW World Average......MAGA!

 

Why do you continuously make straw mans as if I’m implying any of the nonsense you’re spouting about. It’s a fact that many of those who were labeled as a Covid Death have no test associated. That’s not debatable. And it’s not GREED that doctors would be very loose with their labeling. Its the guidelines that were set up. Even if they can’t prove the death was caused by Covid they are legally allowed to label it as such if as long as the patient has symptoms associated.

It’s self preservation. Suddenly the same medical system people that post like YOU claim is so horrible and greed based, NOW is suddenly populated angels? Hospitals and doctors are just people and if they can get the Federal govt to pay for the care of people if all they have to do is include Covid as a symptom of their care, what is the downside? Why wouldn’t they? It’s a win win. It’s not fraud because it’s unprovable at this point. The Fed isn’t going to go back and start punishing doctors for using broad definitions of death. “Related” or “caused” it’s all counted in the death numbers. This is NOT political. Any blowback from over reporting will be pushed aside as not truly important in the long run. Docs were just doing their jobs and they were.

 

Why do you continually post ridiculous conspiracy theories that have little to do with reality?

Fact: 100,000 people have died in the last three months
Fact: this is in excess of the recorded deaths for this time of year for the last 20 years at least
Fact: there is a lethal virus being spread around America
Fact: a huge number of people have been admitted to hospital
Fact: The overwhelming of a health care system has a knock on effect both in inability of the system to cope with the normal run of the mill emergencies and with a reluctance of patients to go to hospitals when they know that those hospitals are stretched beyond limits
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6915e3.htm

 

THE MATH

World

Total Covid19 cases; 5,532,121
Total Covid19 cases MINUS China & Russia; 5,095,709
Total Covid19 deaths; 347,245
Total Covid19 deaths MINUS China & Russia; 338,978
338,978/5,095,709% = 6.65%

U.S.

Total Covid19 cases; 1,689,581
Total Covid19 deaths; 99,381
99,381/1,689,581% = 5.88%

A difference of 0.77%, however, SIGNIFICANT; 1,689,581 x 0.77% = 13,009 deaths

MAGA!

 

I read that 35% of people with the virus are totally asymptomatic. That'll be 114 million people before it's over. No matter how much testing and tracing is done there's never going to be much good come from it or much accuracy in the statistics.

 

617 USA corona deaths on Worldometer yesterday, lowest since March 30th. The downward trend is looking good.

 

You mean other than the dr's themselves saying they are being pressured to put covid as the cause of death? That goes way beyond 'very little proof'.

Keep pushing the false narratives though....you've got an election to worry about and that takes precedence over all else. Lefties gotta keep their eye on the prize.

 

No comparison. No analogy. By increasing funding to the CDC they could expand sampling and testing and test confirmation, they could interview more doctors and patients and study more medical case histories.

I'm not arguing for more or less funding right now. I'm just saying a comparison to the performance of a chef is entirely illogical.

 

Trump is basically saying, because testing was such a cluster early on, we can't know for sure if more or less people died

 

That's funny .... I've just now been accused of being a heavy duty Right winger in another thread.

FTR - you're correct and the other guy is wrong.