Atheists soon a majority?

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  1. Carl Von Clausewitz

    Carl Von Clausewitz Well-Known Member

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    Anybody that is for social order and law supports the death penalty, I don't however believe in conviction without legal representation where innocent people being sent to prison for not committing crimes that they've been accused of is a travesty of justice.

    There certainly is a lot of the criminal justice system that should be reformed.
     
  2. Mamasaid

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    A poor assumption on your part. For one, you don't know what I do or do not know. Secondly,likely whatever you are asking to me to consider is not actually evidence of the truth of the magical proposals of Christianity. This would be a fair assumption by anyone.

    Third, the person wasting others' time is you. I am supposed to Google for information that you claim exists, but cannot even summarize, in order to find support for YOUR magical claims? Uh, no...
     
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  3. JakeStarkey

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    No, Mamasaid, you are not an expert on any of this.
     
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    I don't really see a reason for you to be paranoid about your religious beliefs. If you think they are true, then that's that - there is no evidence pro or con on "faith".

    The issue that CAN be discussed is how to go about making public policy decisions.
     
  5. JakeStarkey

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    That is a silly statement by you, WillReadMore, other than you "really don't see" anything about any of this.

    Don't worry if people believe in deity. Just be happy.

    Our constitution guarantees belief and non-belief, and as such, those values and or ethics will inform public policy making.
     
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    Yes, we know. The abortion fairy was confirmed to a lifetime appointment Saturday.
     
  7. JakeStarkey

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    Go back and read his opinions, Mamasaid. K is no danger to abortion rights.

    He is a great danger to workers' rights.

    Even worse, he believes in the overwhelming protective unitary executive that shields presidents from responsibility for their actions. In that way, K is an absolute fascist.
     
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  8. Mamasaid

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    That too...
     
  9. WillReadmore

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    Today in the US, 2.5 million children are homeless. That's one kid in every 30.

    The UK is about 1/5 our population, so if they sucked as bad as we do, they would have 500,000 homeless kids.

    BUT, they have less than ONE QUARTER of that!

    It's time Christians and nonChristians join to work on this problem.

    Fanning conflict by arguing about whether there really is a god (and what kind of god) is ridiculous. It's not going to do more than divide.

    And, we have very real problems to solve. It's not like this is the only such problem.
     
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    Amen.

    The idea that the president of the US is above the law is just plain unacceptable.

    And, we've seen worker's rights take hit after hit - empowering MORE of that is a monumental mistake.
     
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    And the only reason any of us has ever heard of him is because of abortion.
     
  12. JakeStarkey

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    I don't see the need for you to be paranoid about your atheism. If you think you are right, then you are operating on "faith", because you do not have the logic, symbols, or language to disprove deith.

    The Constitution, to the fact of the matter, protects us in believing as we wish, and how we believe affects the values and ethics that help us make public policy.
     
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    In my opinion, it's neither atheism or religion. It's the lacking within both. It doesn't really matter if you are atheist or religious.. If the person doesn't do what is 'right', then what difference would being an atheist or a religious make?
     
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    This is not an appropriate response. At no time has he asserted that gods certainly do not exist. You, however, assert that they certainly do (or that one does). So, your comparison is not valid .
     
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    All human life is valuable, even fetus Mamasaid.
     
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    Why decides what is "right"? You are pretty strongly implying that the correct pathway to that does not go through religion. I would agree
     
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    Nobody is claiming that, although Obama did get away with a lot.

    What are you talking about, forcing workers to join a union that propagate political opinions that violate their conscience?
     
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    Didn't they try that in the USSR?
     
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    Even some Muslims.
     
  21. JakeStarkey

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    Yes, for you, the response is appropriate and well centered. I have asserted that I believe is all. So, yes, if you don't believe in gods yet can't prove it, then you have been correctly answered.
     
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    They are not forced. They are free to find another job. Just as you are not forced to work for an employer that donates to political causes of which you do not approve.
     
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    Incorrect. I have explicitly stated both that i do not assert that gods certainly do not exist and that such a proposal cannot be proven, nor do i care if it can or not. So Jake, you are being very dishonest again.
     
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    When did it become the job of those who do not say something exists to prove it does? Why cannot those making the claim it does offer that proof?

    I have even asked for clarification as to which God I am supposed to disprove and cannot even get an answer to that, intending to offer the details requested when answered.....this is simply dishonest debate and frustrating.
     
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    It is. By design.
     
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