Attempt to ban use of the word ' Nazi ' in Israel

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  1. goober

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    So the Seinfeld show will be banned in Israel?
     
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    If this passes which I doubt, it looks like!:roflol:
     
  3. Face. Your

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    You must be kidding right?

    A) Israel has full and equal rights for all its citizens regardless of race, creed, or gender.

    B) Have you not heard of the ISLAMIC Republic of Iran, the ISLAMIC Republic of Pakistan, the ARAB Republic of Egypt, the HASHEMITE Kingdom of Jordan, the Syrian ARAB Republic, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, etc etc. Iran and Saudi Arabia practice religious apartheid and gender segregation, but all of those states have a system of jurisprudence which stems from Islam as codified in their Constitutions and engage in severe restrictions on the rights of religious minorities.

    Oh please when we engage in economic boycott, trade embargoes, and sanctions against said nations we're accused of oppression and subversion.
     
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    LOL A) not all Zionists are religious Jews, B) religious Jews believe they were Chosen to be the bearers of gods covenant not that they are racially superior to non-Jews your analogy to the Nazi belief in the superiority of the Aryan race is nonsensical, and your laughable illogical reasoning could be used to draw a similar false analogy to both Christians and Muslims who both believe that they were chosen to receive Gods covenant.

    The Arab-Israeli population growth rate is not that significantly higher than Jewish-Israeli population growth rate and the Arab-Israeli population growth rate is declining; whereas, the Jewish-Israeli population growth rate is increasing, so keep dreaming.

    http://cbs.gov.il/reader/?MIval=/shnaton/shnatone_new.htm&CYear=2013&Vol=64&CSubject=30&sa=Continue

    I believe the overt anti-Semites have been predicting this same thing since '48, how's that working out for you?
     
  5. Face. Your

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    no soup for you!

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    Which comprise the vast majority of Israelis.
     
  6. Durandal

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    Well, certainly any official attempt to censor language, literature, speech and so forth is highly suspect. I find any such effort pathetic in the extreme and a warning sign that people should not take lightly. No government should even have that kind of power over the people it governs, anyway.
     
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    LOL....The Soup Nazi episode was one of the funniest.
     
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    I have been unsure how to reply to this. My first thought was that they must be talking about neo zionists and I use the word deliberately as neo zionists both Christian and Jewish are the ones I have heard most often do this. I have read of outrageous use of the word Nazi by Jews in Israel, so on first thoughts I thought it must be those people they are aiming at, Moon is missing the point.......

    but....having had some time to think, I suspect not. The EU Working Definition which I think to all intents and purposes has now been thrown in the bin, dealt with this. By that definition if I am remembering correctly, it was considered antisemetic to refer to anything Israel did as Nazi - for instance Gaza - and I seriously doubt if there is anyone who is not a neo zionist or an Israeli in denial, who has not at some time thought of Gaza as having similarities to Jewish ghettos. The EU definition on antisemetism to a large extent took care of this. This definition however was not created by the EU but by American pro Israeli's behind doors - clearly not a lacking in prejudice document.

    But again we are dealing with Israel here. Israel cannot put in jail anyone who does not come under her jurisdiction so I am still not sure who it is aimed at. Is it aimed at terrifying groups like Peace Now and B'tselem? Do Palestinians use the word or has she come to see that the disgusting use of this by neo Zionist supporters is no longer helping her cause and that by having banned it and giving a jail term for people using the word she then hopes to have a leg to stand on in complaining about other's using the word?

    Looking at the article in the OP looking like this may be the aim

    I would imagine that is what it is about. Not about the use of word Nazi and it's symbols but discussion which these evoke.

    Further when we see that Yisrael Beitenu are claiming this will put Israel on a par with other nations on the question of antisemitism, I think we have the real reason. Like I said, the EU working definition on antisemitism has been discredited, Israel is really worried about celebs like Walker and clearly has not one toe to stand on when probably no one rubbishes the Nazi word and symbols as much as her own. Clearly the hope is then to pressure other countries to follow suit while they continue to act in 'Nazi' ways as they clear Israel of Palestinians.
     
  9. moon

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    Who said ?
    Bang him up for six months. Fine him 100,000 thousand shekels.

    How dare he suggest that jews act like Nazis !! Ostracise him ! Fine him ! Jail him !

    Who ?

    Josef Lapid.
    The head of Israel's central Holocaust memorial .

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/815603.html

    Of course, this insane law has not been passed. Yet. Publicity will ensure that the neoZionist fascists fail.

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    First quote Jimmy Carter.
     
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    Yes, and the arrogance and intransigence as displayed by Herzog continues and has resulted in Israel becoming the pariah state of the region. He was, however, correct about the 'Elders of Zion' which was later revealed to be a forgery.
     
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    Indeed, and I have never suggested otherwise.
     
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    The vast majority of Jews are not insane fundamentalist Zionist thugs. In that regard they no more represent the majority of Jews than fundamentalist Islamists represent all Muslims. Unless you read the Daily Mail, of course...
     
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    I know, and not all of the original zionists were religious. My bone to pick is with Zionism's parallels with fascism. The zionist concept is so chillingly similar to the Nazi 'living space' concept - expand into occupied areas for the good of the 'arian race'.
     
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    Yes, there are some very uncomfortable parallels-but dare mention them and you'll be forever labelled as an anti-Semite.
     
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    The God Mother, of one of his children is Marie Le Penn. I think that is the basis of the relationship and that for me is a big question mark. I know his past and had wondered if perhaps he had fallen under Atzmon's spell so I am suspicious that is what is going on.

    That by no means means I approve of how the French are dealing with this or believe that all those involved are involved due to antisemitism.

    Some videos

    [video=youtube;1IyZs9kGwAA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IyZs9kGwAA[/video]

    on the supposed reverse Nazi salute

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=042_1388673777

    and an alternative view

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/01/01/the-bete-noire-of-the-french-establishment/

    This needs a thread of it's own!!
     
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    When paranoid fascists have the power to eliminate words from language and exert control over body gestures then only paranoid fascists are at an advantage.
     
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    And Khaled Mashal's mother wears army boots. Have you anything factual to address the points he stated or just opinion?
     
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    Another case of missing the forest for the trees. Although done for differing reasons, the same thing is happening elsewhere. Among other examples, you have the French banning English words in order to retain their cultural identity, Dutch who reported on the forty words non-muslims cannot use in Malaysia, including "Islam" and a somewhat amusing tale of a UK school banning a dialect altogether. In a more subtle way of approaching things, here in the US we have the Dems and the Legacy Media essentially banning use of the word "Obamacare"

    While we have the usual people focusing on Israel doing, they miss the far more frightening fact that this is actually part of a much larger trend - one that their own countries and religions might be participating in themselves, controlling ideas through the use of language. Was George Orwell a prophet?
     
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    Why Arabs care about the attempt to ban use of the word ' Nazi ' in Israel ? :roll:
     
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    There are no parallels between Zionism and fascism. Obviously you don't know the meaning of the word. The parallel as I have stated would be with Islam and all it entails. The only parallels with Zionism would be: USA, Britain, Spain, France, Mexico, Brazil, China, Japan, Poland, Germany, Austria, Greece, Russia, and every nation that exists, since Zionism is simply a nation for the Jewish people. They have as much right to live within secure borders as every other people do.
     
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    This place is for expressing opinions, just as you frequently do. It isn't a text-book for quoting facts from. The fact remains that Israel's policy vis a vis Palestine remains hugely contentious and does Israel no good whatsoever. The litany of condemnatory UN Resolutions to that effect is all the evidence and facts anyone needs.
     
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    Yes, within their own borders which do not encompass someone else's territory. How many times does this have to be repeated before it sinks in?
     

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